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Old 22 May 2020, 16:27 (Ref:3977732)   #16
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I'm looking forward to being trackside again. I am a Track Marshal (Flag only) having upgraded at the start of this year and my concern is if a major incident occurs and requires intervention or medical attendance if there are only two marshals to a post eg: two track marshals or a PC and flaggy. As a flaggy I am happy to step up as I was asked to act as Flag and Post Chief on post by myself while I was a trainee due to shortage of marshals and we are all volunteers so it's individual decisions on whether to attend or not. I do appreciate the efforts and measures that Motorsport UK are putting in place for our safety as it's been an extremely difficult task but it'll be good to return to racing and marshalling once it is safe to do so.

Until then, stay safe everyone
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Old 22 May 2020, 18:35 (Ref:3977770)   #17
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I'm still very much in two minds about the whole "do I volunteer or not" issue but that's based more around the fact that there I have vulnerable family members and I don't want to affect them directly or indirectly. Yet part of me really wants to spend some time back trackside...
I'd love to be able to get back, but I feel this is too hurried. 'Let's find a way of getting racing back ASAP' to me is causing too much of a compromise.

Clearly there's some urgency to get some sort of marshalling method in place as there's pressure to enable the double GP. Then BTCC and GTs have issued calendars and also will need supporting. And then clubs, with variable degrees of thought will want to get something going if they can. For me we should pause longer to see what the prevailing conditions are and then see if it can be done.

The biggest thing for me is that if followed it's making marshalling into a job instead of a hobby and that makes me reluctant. It's yet to be seen how the racing will proceed but it's also a strong possibility that meetings may have fewer races and long stops so I get neither the marshalling fun or the racing fun (although if clubs have the sense to combine some fields, possibly crossing club boundaries, those few races could potentially have some huge and entertaining grids). Let's hope.

Given the personal risk of the virus and I've concluded that this season probably isn't for me. Progress of the disease may change that, and we may find it's fine, but I'm starting at no and may revise upwards.

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Certain things have potential - "All reports to be issued by digital or telephonic means". There's be practical issues in this idea: but imagine being able to email your written report direct to race control mid-race!
This is something I've been talking about for several years. With PC/flag often being combined how much difficulty would it be to have a tablet on each post? Run timing to help the flags on long races. Pre-populated list of car numbers and some pre-listed check boxes. Click on car number, click on action (track limits/ran wide/overtook under yellows) and another car number if necessary and hit send. It could either email in or even just show as a thread so everyone can see it. Report is timed and instantly in the hands of RC. Programming can be anywhere from 'open a post in FB' to some clever trickery as per above, this is definitely a possible step forward.
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Old 22 May 2020, 19:58 (Ref:3977791)   #18
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This is something I've been talking about for several years. With PC/flag often being combined how much difficulty would it be to have a tablet on each post? Run timing to help the flags on long races. Pre-populated list of car numbers and some pre-listed check boxes. Click on car number, click on action (track limits/ran wide/overtook under yellows) and another car number if necessary and hit send. It could either email in or even just show as a thread so everyone can see it. Report is timed and instantly in the hands of RC. Programming can be anywhere from 'open a post in FB' to some clever trickery as per above, this is definitely a possible step forward.
Sadly there are a number of tracks that don't have the capability to do this, normally down to bandwidth restrictions. We always have live timing up on our phones, especially on long distance races, which gives the flag marshal notice of who's pitted etc.
Personally I think it's a great idea, especially as a lot of the fields for an incident report could be self populating but it's about as likely to happen as every driver taking the correct action with flags !
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Old 24 May 2020, 09:50 (Ref:3978021)   #19
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http://www.orci.co.uk/News/2020/05/O...-22nd-May-2020

That's what the governing body for oval racing are doing in the uk. I don't know if the msa have issued any statements at all?
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Old 24 May 2020, 10:22 (Ref:3978026)   #20
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Thatís good that UK oval racing is due to be back. Of course it will be easier to manage things in a stadium environment. And it also helps that in the States NASCAR has started again, so they could pick up a few tips from there
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Old 24 May 2020, 10:40 (Ref:3978030)   #21
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That's what the governing body for oval racing are doing in the uk. I don't know if the msa have issued any statements at all?
motorsport uk haven't issued any blanket statements but circuits are re-opening for testing shortly when they've set up systems and things for remote driver sign on and made facilities covid-compatible.

out of the public eye, the big events have their own plans for organising their side of things that they're communicating with teams and stuff, such as the procedural details, scrutineering and checking driver kit, paddock layouts, what they expect of individual staff, and what they expect of teams.

from what i've seen so far, the emphasis is on keeping teams operating as separate units or households and not allowing any mixing with others. no visits to race control, communication via technology only.

the lack of publishing these documents seems to be leading lots of folk, particularly spectators, into feeling that there are no concrete plans and that nothing is being thought of, but it's definitely not that way in practice.
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Seems sensible to me to not publicise the plans too wildly.

We regularly witness individuals with no real knowledge of a subject post their 'authoritative' position on a subject via social media.

People struggle to accept that they are not specialists in a subject, and assert that they know best. Response to COVID-19 is just one example.

The only people who need to be involved with the planning are the medical and circuit professionals at this stage - engaging with key stakeholders as required.

No plan survives first contact with the enemy. In today's society, that could read 'no plan survives without a million Facebook/Twitter disagreements'
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Old 24 May 2020, 10:55 (Ref:3978034)   #23
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Indeed. It is better to try and keep this confidential where you can. Itís not in their interest to publish it for any Tom, Dick or Harry. Get your plan sorted out behind closed doors and listen to expert medical advice. If it was out in the open you risk getting the wrong sort of publicity if you get it wrong.
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i think we see rightful concern here and elsewhere from our friends in orange that it’s not going to be a great experience, but i’ll be honest it’s going to be pretty miserable for us *in* the paddock as well. but if we don’t do this, there’s not going to be a lot left of the sport to return to next season.

we can all appreciate how much earlier the “nope” limit kicks in when you’re doing it for the love of the sport and not the paycheque. but if we don’t over-invest in the sport this year we’ll really lose out in the long term.

the circuits and organisers are doing as much as they possibly can (and more) to keep us safe. you’ll be safer at a closed doors event than you will be at tescos, especially if you put in the effort on your side with your own personal responsibilities like hand sanitiser, social distancing where possible and face coverings.
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Motorsport UK has announced that in anticipation of motorsport restarting in the UK from 4th July, it is inviting online permit applications from 1st June 2020.
Motorsport is currently suspended throughout the UK until 30th June 2020. Following ongoing positive dialogue with the Department for Culture, Media and Sport and having set out its strategy and anticipated conditions for restarting motorsport disciplines, the governing body is now moving to its next phase of getting the sport back on track. Further details will be communicated following the next Motorsport UK Board meeting of 3rd June.

Any resumption of motorsport is contingent on event organisers demonstrating that they can plan in accordance with the recently published, “Getting Back on Track” guidelines of Motorsport UK, while respecting government guidance on social distancing.

Motorsport UK is also acutely aware that different devolved territories of the UK may be moving at different paces in easing restrictions; any application for an event permit will be subject to approval based on the prevailing government advice. The move is also contingent on governments continuing with measures to open up society and that further restrictions resultant of any additional waves of COVID-19 are not required.
David Richards, chairman of Motorsport UK, commented, “In March, Motorsport UK moved quickly and in line with government to suspend motorsport, while everyone’s priority was restricting the spread of this terrible disease and protecting the NHS. It is now right that, as government has set out plans to ease restrictions, we move in step and introduce the next stage of our phased restart. Unlike many sports, motorsport in the UK is an industry in itself, employing tens of thousands and contributing billions of pounds to the UK economy."
“We always said that, when the conditions were right, we would take a responsible decision to resume motorsport in order to sustain the sport, jobs and the economy. We have explained our plans to government and are fortunate that motorsport takes place outdoors over large controlled spaces. Our plan is that, subject to government advice and ongoing lifting of restrictions, motorsport will resume from 4th July. We are making this announcement now as event organisers, venues, preparation specialists, the supply chain, volunteer Marshals, Officials and Competitors all need time to put in place their plans.”

There will be a number of caveats of granting event permits, including that event organisers commit that their events will be held behind closed doors, appropriate PPE requirements are met, and that each organiser must appoint a COVID-19 officer to ensure compliance with any relevant guidelines. Furthermore, there will be a limit on the number of permits issued for July to 50% of those in the corresponding month of 2019, in order that there are sufficient volunteer Official and Marshal resources available to support the restart in a safe and responsible manner. No national or British championship events will take place in July to reduce potential national and international travel (excludes FIA championships).

To find out more about Motorsport UK - visit motorsportuk.org/restart
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