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View Poll Results: Which will be the first 2020 GP?
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Old 23 May 2020, 21:34 (Ref:3977950)   #1501
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Letís just wait and see what the government says, there is still some hope we can see racing. I just wish F1 stays with some of the better circuits. It will make all this more worth it
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Old 23 May 2020, 23:33 (Ref:3977969)   #1502
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As much as I want to see F1 back on track, I'm still struggling to see how such travel without quarantine could be justified.

I get the argument on business essential travel, but you could also the say that if the person was able to travel to carry out work, could they then work from home for 2 weeks (quarantine period) on their return?

Answer, some probably could especially given the experience and infrastructure that many companies have built up over the "lockdown", but there are also some that work very hands on, and quarantine would mean not working for 2 weeks and the problems that cause, for the individual, the company, their industry and the economy.

It's that balance which I think everyone including the Government is having to try and find. But for the moment safety/public health is tipping the scales towards Quarantine for all.
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Old 23 May 2020, 23:44 (Ref:3977971)   #1503
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It will struggle if it doesnít get back on track come July as is planned. Of course the way the world is changing the 14 day quarantine might be gone come then.

Itís hard enough though when we are missing GPs like Monaco. Iíd hate to lose Silverstone too, but itís very hard to get to different venues with travel restrictions in place.

Itís circuits like Spa and Monaco that make F1 what it is and Iíd hate for F1 to miss those places and only go to some lesser ones. It just wouldnít justify coming back if it was only to the bland circuits.

Letís wait to hear what the government says, but the way itís looking now, we should maybe not try to get too excited. Just take it one week at a time and see how things improve
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Old 24 May 2020, 01:11 (Ref:3977981)   #1504
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Letís just wait and see what the government says, there is still some hope we can see racing. I just wish F1 stays with some of the better circuits. It will make all this more worth it
The countries like Australia & NZ have proven that retrictions such as quarantine and minimising entry work and if the AGP was slotted to run this year there is no way it would get permission to enter the country. Wishing F1 to return and cross borders is not a good idea because inevitably when one of the group contract the virus it will cause a total shutdown and gaurantee that the F1 return is put back even further. It would be counter productive in the extreme if this happened and it will happen no ifs or buts.
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Old 24 May 2020, 03:55 (Ref:3977990)   #1505
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That is one stumbling block, no doubt the Australian GP authorities will not want a repeat of what happened in March. So it sadly looks unlikely that we will see them return to Oz this year. As for the rest of the calendar we have to see what it's like come July. But interestingly the FIA has said F1 races can go ahead even if 10 people catch the virus (but probably no more than that). So it seems they are ready to deal with the situation if anything happens
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Worrying about $$$ regardless of the body count,not a good look for F1..
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Time for a bit of perspective here. For most people CV19 is an irritant not a death sentence. I'm not downplaying it, but that comment is somewhat sensationalist.

The F1 bubble can definitely create a sterile situation where any disease can be contained. Coronavirus is not like Sarin, where just sniffing the air is fatal, basically you have to handle someone's spit to catch it, and even then as long as you don't put it in your mouth there's no problem.

As for chasing the $$$, it's not as mercenary as it sounds. With millions newly unemployed across the world, something that keeps highly specialised skills in work is important. There's probably 10,000 jobs in the team factories alone, then the supply chains, the TV support and so on. It's bad enough that low paid temporary jobs in circuit infrastructure are lost due to the closed doors policy.

With no racing that's potentially thousands more households torn apart by unemployment, thousands more benefit claims, thousands more little villages where the local shop loses a customer which could tip the balance. (OK my own bit of sensationalism but you get the idea)

So yes along the way Liberty make lots of $$$, but this is an industry and with no sales for 2020 its demise is probable.

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looking further down the line, we could have another f1 personnel exodus at the end of the year. if they do decide to go ahead without an exemption and either stay away for months or try not to return to base or something for 2 weeks every few races (because i bet you can’t leave the country again during self quarantine) then it’s not going to fly. there’s a lot of people with families who won’t settle for not going home for a month or more at a time. it’s just not worth it.
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Old 24 May 2020, 11:41 (Ref:3978046)   #1509
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That is one stumbling block, no doubt the Australian GP authorities will not want a repeat of what happened in March. So it sadly looks unlikely that we will see them return to Oz this year. As for the rest of the calendar we have to see what it's like come July. But interestingly the FIA has said F1 races can go ahead even if 10 people catch the virus (but probably no more than that). So it seems they are ready to deal with the situation if anything happens
The FIA won't be doing the talking if only one person gets it, the government of the country they are in will be doing the talking and the kicking of bums so what the FIA say and what will happen will be two different things.
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Thatís a fair point, it could be completely out of F1ís control if someone gets it. Letís just hope that nothing of the sort happens for the sake of the sport, but it can only take one wrong move for someone to be infected
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it's insanity, they're so desperate to get the economy going that they make international travel incredibly difficult?

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Careful, you're starting to sound like me, lol. You've come to the dark side on seeing the "insanity" of some of this, and how crippling these lockdowns are becoming.

Now, take it a step further and start observing how those telling you and your family that they can't carry out their work and will have to suffer through this are carrying on their lives. I posted earlier when the hypocrisy hit me, when my gym that I go to most days was shut down, but the supreme court justice wasn't having that, and demanded their gym remain open. Here's a few more:

"Gov. J.B. Pritzker for the first time Friday acknowledged his wife and daughter were in Florida before Illinoisí statewide stay-at-home order took effect in March and just recently returned to Chicago.

He said he was being ďvery private and very reservedĒ about his family ďbecause there are threats to my safety and to their safety.

ďYou have seen that there are people that stand outside the Thompson Center and stand outside the Capitol in Springfield, holding, I mean, hateful signs that reference me personally and that suggest, if not say, but suggest the potential for violence,Ē he said.

On April 29, Pritzker testily responded to a question about a Patch.com report that his wife and family had gone to Florida amid the governorís stay-at-home orders.

ďMy official duties have nothing to do with my family. So, Iím not going to answer that question. It's inappropriate and I find it reprehensible,Ē he said of stories about his family...."

Just a few questions I'd love to be asked of him:

Why does his family not have to follow his orders to his subjects?

Do the actions of his family indicate that with their extra information that they are privy to, indicate that maybe this isn't something that warrants the restrictions being ordered out?

If a local business owner (or your family, for example) defies the restrictions to open up to put food on their family's plate, when confronted with officers or other officials, can they use the governor's line about not answering their questions, that it is a private family matter? You know, since providing for your family is a family matter...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chi...outputType=amp

Or, this one:

"Received the Michelle Obama recorded call this morning encouraging me to stay home, and I wanted to cry,Ē tweeted D.C. native Alex Kennedy....

The Obamas took some flak from conservative bellowers who reported that the former president played a socially isolated game of golf at an exclusive Virginia country club last weekend..."

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The message encouraged residents to stay at home except for essential trips to grocery stores or for prescriptions. No mention of essential golf outings, of course.

Again, you're right, it's utter insanity. It is also interesting that those "in the know" seem to be living their normal lives. What could that mean? That they matter more than the rest? Or that it isn't nearly as dangerous to be out as they are making it seem?

Ok, so my rhetoric ir language has been harsher, but it seems you're starting to come around!


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Time for a bit of perspective here. For most people CV19 is an irritant not a death sentence. I'm not downplaying it, but that comment is somewhat sensationalist.

The F1 bubble can definitely create a sterile situation where any disease can be contained. Coronavirus is not like Sarin, where just sniffing the air is fatal, basically you have to handle someone's spit to catch it, and even then as long as you don't put it in your mouth there's no problem.

As for chasing the $$$, it's not as mercenary as it sounds. With millions newly unemployed across the world, something that keeps highly specialised skills in work is important. There's probably 10,000 jobs in the team factories alone, then the supply chains, the TV support and so on. It's bad enough that low paid temporary jobs in circuit infrastructure are lost due to the closed doors policy.

With no racing that's potentially thousands more households torn apart by unemployment, thousands more benefit claims, thousands more little villages where the local shop loses a customer which could tip the balance. (OK my own bit of sensationalism but you get the idea)

So yes along the way Liberty make lots of $$$, but this is an industry and with no sales for 2020 its demise is probable.

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Careful, when I said this I was told to go through my contacts and pick which 5-7 out of 100 I'd pick to die. Beyond the sensationalist nature of that comment, it was actually wrong. I'd have to have 200 contacts to find 1 to pick out, since with antibody testing the true death rate is closer to .5%. And beyond that, if I look at my contacts and find my grandmom and a few others and implore them to stay home and stay safe, the rest can pretty safely go on about their lives.

All of the unemployment has a good chance to cause more destruction and cost more lives than the virus itself. Again, my frustration with it leads me to finding the bs in the people handing down these destructive policies, but the concerns I have had aren't much different from the ones you two have posted about in these posts.
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>>>>>>>>>>Careful, when I said this I was told to go through my contacts and pick which 5-7 out of 100 I'd pick to die. Beyond the sensationalist nature of that comment, it was actually wrong. I'd have to have 200 contacts to find 1 to pick out, since with antibody testing the true death rate is closer to .5%. And beyond that, if I look at my contacts and find my grandmom and a few others and implore them to stay home and stay safe, the rest can pretty safely go on about their lives.

To be fair it was me who said that. And it was because you advocated abolishing shut down, or so I understood. I think lockdown *has* saved the world, so I don't agree with your view of shutting some people away and the rest getting on with their lives.

Also I was working on UK figures don't forget, where we have such an abysmal "test, tack and trace" system that we've no idea how many people have been infected nor how many have recovered.

Still, neither of us are virologists, epydemiologists or experts of any kind so either iof us can have a view as informed as each other. Neither of us know. Either, neither or both of us could be right.
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The answer for us is somewhere in between! The only answers we are pretty certain are wrong are the extremes.
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We've got pretty good evidence though. Sweden appears to have the worst per capita death rate and it didn't lock anyone down.

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No one, however, would have predicted this news item from last week: “Covid-19 deaths in Sweden were the highest in Europe per capita in a rolling seven-day average between 12 and 19 May.” It confirmed that Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell’s “mitigation” strategy of allowing shops, restaurants, gyms, schools and workplaces to remain open was a deadly folly. It does not even seem to have produced herd immunity. Just 7.3% of Stockholm’s inhabitants had developed Covid-19 antibodies by the end of April.
So, lock-downs would appear to work, even in a limited way. As to travel, if we were still seeing death rates that we saw two weeks ago, would we be thinking that the travel restrictions should be lifted?

I'm currently not working although there are folks in the far east who could use my assistance and which I'd be delighted to provide. Sadly, right now I can't and thus my ability to earn money is zero. I had planned to retire but the crash has knocked that on the head. Hey ho. I don't understand the 8th June thing but assume it's because that is when other European countries will relax their borders. The UK is at least two weeks behind.
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Careful, you're starting to sound like me, lol. You've come to the dark side on seeing the "insanity" of some of this, and how crippling these lockdowns are becoming.
Crippling? Yes. Insane? Debatable, but likely not when viewed in its entirety vs. cherry picking news items. You continue to be quick to discount, but provide little with respect to alternatives. Given you enjoy being a critic in the bleachers, how would you run things? Please note, you can't play just to your particular base.

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Again, my frustration with it leads me to finding the bs in the people handing down these destructive policies, but the concerns I have had aren't much different from the ones you two have posted about in these posts.
I also find your examples interesting. Strong bias in one political direction with respect to examples of hypocrisy, while conveniently ignoring the other examples that span the political spectrum. Quite a divisive narritive there!

Overall, I would say its showing it's quite easy to lock things down as that is a quick ramping up of things. But its proving to be much harder to ratchet things down in a gradual way. It's sort of like trying to make someone partially pregnant. Plenty of those who point out you either are, or are not. Nothing less than either pregnant or not will satisfy the masses. And when done someone is still going to be unhappy. Right now everyone is unhappy as we are either not loose enough or too tight with respect to Covid19 restrictions.

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