IMSA DPi Discussion

[DeezPutz]

Originally Posted by TF110

I like the idea of dpi running manufacture inspired looks, but not a fan of the spec involved in the rules. If there is an advantage included in manufacture branding then it should be promoted rather than equalized.

You should post this more in every thread. It never gets old.

[knighty]

Originally Posted by DeezPutz

You should post this more in every thread. It never gets old.

Why do I find it ironic that Riley were involved with both the design of this beautiful Mazda shape......and the manky/ugly shape of the Riley LMP3, it really does require "beer goggles".....am i missing something?......how on earth can that happen?

[knighty]

Originally Posted by knighty

Why do I find it ironic that Riley were involved with both the design of this beautiful Mazda shape......and the manky/ugly shape of the Riley LMP3, it really does require "beer goggles".....am i missing something?......how on earth can that happen?

Also what LMP2 tub is this Mazda based on?.....Oreca, Ligier, Dallara, Riley-Multimatics, I'm guessing the latter???.....but the customer Riley-Multimatics LMP2 hasnt surfaced yet - right?

[Matt]

Like it's been said a million times before...it's base is the Riley.

[gustavobamba]

If i understand correctly the IMSA rules... the rear end of this car will be equal to Riley-Multimatic, the only diference will be the front end.

Did anyone know when are we going to see the Riley MK XXX??

[mariantic]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

If i understand correctly the IMSA rules... the rear end of this car will be equal to Riley-Multimatic, the only diference will be the front end.

No the green bits on the diagram below can be manufacturer specific


See detail here http://mariantic.co.uk/lmp/DPI.asp and http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/11870...pe-regulations

Mariantic

[Matt]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

If i understand correctly the IMSA rules... the rear end of this car will be equal to Riley-Multimatic, the only diference will be the front end.

Did anyone know when are we going to see the Riley MK XXX??

The only bits that have to remain from the original car are the splitter, rear wing, fin, and main chassis.

All the bodywork can change.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by mariantic

No the green bits on te diagram below can be manufacturer specific


See detail here http://mariantic.co.uk/lmp/DPI.asp

Mariantic

I always felt this was the easier way to describe it. If it's dark blue it can be changed. If it's not, it can't.

[fausto]

Originally Posted by knighty

Why do I find it ironic that Riley were involved with both the design of this beautiful Mazda shape......and the manky/ugly shape of the Riley LMP3, it really does require "beer goggles".....am i missing something?......how on earth can that happen?

Not the first time that I have more than a feeling that, albeit not looking good or, worse, sometimes ugly, Riley shapes work more than well, simple as that!

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by knighty

Why do I find it ironic that Riley were involved with both the design of this beautiful Mazda shape......and the manky/ugly shape of the Riley LMP3, it really does require "beer goggles".....am i missing something?......how on earth can that happen?

Because trying to design purely for performance and trying to mix performance with aesthetics tends to generate different results.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

Did anyone know when are we going to see the Riley MK XXX??

The Visit Florida Racing car should debut in December at the Daytona test, or at the latest at the Roar in early January.

I am also interested to see the base Riley/Multimatic so we can see how much of a departure the Mazda really is.

[FIRE]

Mazda does a duckface.

[truebeliever]

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

Because trying to design purely for performance and trying to mix performance with aesthetics tends to generate different results.

I would say that the bodywork was designed by Mazda Design Studio in California, rather than racing people, and looks like done purely for road car looks aesthetics".

Which means that I would be highly surprised if any scale model has seen a wind tunnel, or even much CFD!

Come Daytona test, I would expect to see front dive planes quickly added to get some grip.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by truebeliever

I would say that the bodywork was designed by Mazda Design Studio in California, rather than racing people, and looks like done purely for road car looks aesthetics".

Which means that I would be highly surprised if any scale model has seen a wind tunnel, or even much CFD!

Come Daytona test, I would expect to see front dive planes quickly added to get some grip.

I would say that is wrong. R.I.F.
http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13323...=1&limitstart=

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13645...t_quarter_001a

Also, come Daytona, of course there will be some aero tuning done to the car. They all get tuned for specific track types.








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[joeb]

Originally Posted by truebeliever

I would say that the bodywork was designed by Mazda Design Studio in California, rather than racing people, and looks like done purely for road car looks aesthetics".

Which means that I would be highly surprised if any scale model has seen a wind tunnel, or even much CFD!

Come Daytona test, I would expect to see front dive planes quickly added to get some grip.

Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

I would say that is wrong. R.I.F.
http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13323...=1&limitstart=

http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/13645...t_quarter_001a

Also, come Daytona, of course there will be some aero tuning done to the car. They all get tuned for specific track types.

The applicable text from the Racer article is this:

"While the designers have clearly defined how our brand and our vehicles looks in the marketplace, they simultaneously had to learn about what does and does not make a competitive advantage in the wind tunnel and on the race track. In the end, there were a bunch of high-fives in the design offices when the beauty of Mazda's KODO Design language also spelled positive efficiency results in the wind tunnel."

so yes, both design and aerodynamics were evaluated.

[truebeliever]

REALLY???


"To have the Mazda Design offices in Japan and North America lead the [bodywork] design of this racecar is exactly what Mazda is all about ... a 'never stop challenging' spirit," Doonan said.








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[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by truebeliever

REALLY???
"To have the Mazda Design offices in Japan and North America lead the [bodywork] design of this racecar is exactly what Mazda is all about ... a 'never stop challenging' spirit," Doonan said.

What exactly did the post I responded to intimate about the RT24-P, that "the bodywork was designed by Mazda Design Studio in California" with virtually ZERO work from "racing people". That, is in fact, wrong! Also I never said that the "Mazda Design Studio in California" was not involved in the process, I refuted the assertion that there was not any racing design work involved in it ( scale aero, cfd, etc...).







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[TF110]

It looks good and it performs good. That's all that matters!

[carbsmith]

I'd rather racing development budgets were being spent on performance and technology than styling, but I'm just old fashioned I guess.

[TF110]

Yeah I think that was already covered above. Plus it's a dpi, they're all going to be performance balanced anyway.

[truebeliever]

Originally Posted by TF110

It looks good and it performs good. That's all that matters!

Correct

[Lanky Turtle]

Originally Posted by carbsmith

I'd rather racing development budgets were being spent on performance and technology than styling, but I'm just old fashioned I guess.

That's the opposite of old fashioned.

[Maelochs]

Funny stuff here .... I cannot tell you how many people I have heard complain (and a lot of them on this site) about how ugly certain cars were. Gen 2 DPs almost without exception, the latest R18 .... bit a lot of newer prototypes, because they looked as though they were drawn mechanically by CFD programs, with shape entirely dictated by performance (you know, how Jim Hall and Colin Chapman would have done it .... what did those guys know, anyway ...)

I have also heard voluminous praise for Porsche's GT1, a car which was "styled" as well as "engineered."

Here we have stylists and engineers collaborating to produce a unique-looking and fairly attractive (by general consensus) racing car which according to tests so far, is actually also aerodynamically efficient.

Will it get dive planes? Almost certainly --- in fact adjustable dive planes are a huge part of most cars' aero packages nowadays. Were dive planes left off at the reveal because presenters wanted the car to look more sleek, without tacked-on aero aids? Almost certainly. After all, the car didn't need a lot of downforce to stay on the display stand.

So what? The basic shape is Not bland and generic, and apparently works well enough at speed that Mazda can run as near the front as the slightly underpowered and unreliable engine and sometimes ham-handed SpeedSource crew can allow it to.

Pardon me if I come across as a Mazda true believer. I have liked the company since its early rotary days, and I like its latest racing efforts. Maybe that is why I actually read its press release before commenting on the car .... maybe that's an odd thing for a true believer to do.

In any case, what we have here is reportedly an aero-efficient design which isn't a clone of the existing P2 cars and also has some roundness and flow ... a unique aesthetic which many here, at least, seem to find pleasing.

Hard to see why this should be a big cornflake-p!$$ing moment for some posters; I'd think a better looking car that is just as fast or faster would be a big step in a positive direction.

[hondafan37]

The car is very nice, the trunk is fantastic. The only ugly thing is the shark fin, but that's not Mazda's fault, it's the ACO's fault

When will the Cadillac images be?

[WolfsburgRS]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Funny stuff here ....

Hard to see why this should be a big cornflake-p!$$ing moment for some posters; I'd think a better looking car that is just as fast or faster would be a big step in a positive direction.

Thank you for putting this together far more eloquently than I could have. It seems many are simply looking for the negative and weak points and seemingly hoping for failure rather than the success of the racing series they love, or at least like enough to follow it.