IMSA IMSA : 2019 - Page 19

broadrun96 · 9 Aug 2018, 19:27 (Ref:3842609)

And now Racer says No Mazda customer DPis. Well the picture does, the article does not appear to exist. For some reason I can't actually upload the picture but it's the Racer.com main page

Akrapovic · 9 Aug 2018, 19:42 (Ref:3842613)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

And now Racer says No Mazda customer DPis. Well the picture does, the article does not appear to exist. For some reason I can't actually upload the picture but it's the Racer.com main page

I think it's a wordpress bug when a post gets renamed. It's up here now:

https://racer.com/2018/08/09/mazda-r...dpis-for-2019/

EffectiveSprinkles · 9 Aug 2018, 20:26 (Ref:3842626)

Neither link works for me.

**joeb** · 10 Aug 2018, 01:34 (Ref:3842669)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

because it's so hard to post a link....

https://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/j...-dpi-for-2019/

Wonder if we'll SoD back with their Cadillac DPi - or might they switch to a P2 (and almost do a straight swap with JDC) to fill with paying customers?

Gotta hand it to GM for making their cars available. Would be nice if Acura and Mazda had the same policy. People have often lamented the fact that factories no longer allow customers to buy their machines, but this is exactly that.

HORNDAWG · 10 Aug 2018, 02:21 (Ref:3842680)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Kinda missing what he's saying. He's saying Cadillac don't want beaten by privateer teams. If JDC are a Cadillac team, they are no longer a privateer team, are they?

Anyway, now we have the DPi class, and the CORE Autosport Class. Sounds almost as fun as when Rebellion and ByKolles got to run around on there own behind the big guys and everyone absolutely loved it! Wait, I think I miss-remembered that last bit.

Sorry, JDC Miller Motorsport, even with Cadillac DPi-V.R chassis, is a privateer team. So no, I am not 'missing the point'!

L.P.

Akrapovic · 10 Aug 2018, 04:14 (Ref:3842695)

Except if they win now, caddy lose to a customer car. If they win next year, caddy win. So, yeah kinda huge difference and exactly what he was getting at. But cool.

Akrapovic · 10 Aug 2018, 04:15 (Ref:3842696)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Gotta hand it to GM for making their cars available. Would be nice if Acura and Mazda had the same policy. People have often lamented the fact that factories no longer allow customers to buy their machines, but this is exactly that.

Tbh I don’t want to see a Mazda customer car until it works for the factory team. Imagine how bad it’d be with no support.

TF110 · 10 Aug 2018, 04:37 (Ref:3842699)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Tbh I don’t want to see a Mazda customer car until it works for the factory team. Imagine how bad it’d be with no support.

I made that point earlier today replying to someone on twitter. What good is it in a private team's hands when it needs work to compete? I'm sure next year they'll continue to improve on it but so will everyone else. Mazda should have went with Oreca instead of Riley/Multimatic. Look what it's done in lmp2 and then how good the Oreca Acura Penske DPi is in it's first season.

canaglia · 10 Aug 2018, 09:52 (Ref:3842737)

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Originally Posted by TF110

I made that point earlier today replying to someone on twitter. What good is it in a private team's hands when it needs work to compete? I'm sure next year they'll continue to improve on it but so will everyone else. Mazda should have went with Oreca instead of Riley/Multimatic. Look what it's done in lmp2 and then how good the Oreca Acura Penske DPi is in it's first season.

Agree that oreca is the real lmp2 masterpiece; not quite about acura dpi, considering that because of reliability issues in first races and overall performances, the standard 07 is a superior contender right now.

Laguna seca is a lmp2 friendly track and a standard oreca scored pole last year at road atlanta. Core #54, with a pro-am line up, risks to be a serious rival for the title.

Now that a perfect balance between lmp2 and dpi has been found; makes me wonder how stupid has been the decision to split the P class....
considering how poor will be lmp2 presence next year in grid.

gert · 10 Aug 2018, 10:19 (Ref:3842739)

United Autosports has decided not to do Daytona 2019 because of the split.

https://www.autosport.com/imsa/news/...t-2019-daytona

**joeb** · 10 Aug 2018, 10:24 (Ref:3842740)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Tbh I don’t want to see a Mazda customer car until it works for the factory team. Imagine how bad it’d be with no support.

That is a fair point. The caddy is in a better position to be raced by teams as an off-the-shelf product.

canaglia · 10 Aug 2018, 13:17 (Ref:3842783)

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Originally Posted by gert

United Autosports has decided not to do Daytona 2019 because of the split.

https://www.autosport.com/imsa/news/...t-2019-daytona

Predictable.... a dpi program is not more expensive than lmp2, why a team should spend money in lmp2 to be unable to fight for the overall win?

the only reason to be in lmp2 in IMSA is to have a gtln drivers seats business.

MaskedRacer · 10 Aug 2018, 13:18 (Ref:3842784)

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Originally Posted by gert

United Autosports has decided not to do Daytona 2019 because of the split.

https://www.autosport.com/imsa/news/...t-2019-daytona

Ha Ha IMSA. Look what you did :-) Serves them right.

Also to stick it to them. I hope the CORE Oreca can continue its form and win the championship. Need the #31 Caddy to have a bad race somewhere though.

HORNDAWG · 10 Aug 2018, 15:03 (Ref:3842806)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Except if they win now, caddy lose to a customer car. If they win next year, caddy lose to a customer car.

FIFY

L.P.

Akrapovic · 10 Aug 2018, 16:35 (Ref:3842823)

Yes, totally fixed! I'm sure Cadillac will hate losing to a..Cadillac! It's almost like a Cadillac would win! And that's exactly the same as losing to a privateer non-works supported LMP2 customer chassis. There's absolutely no difference in those. In fact, that's why the DPi teams want to keep LMP2 in the same class, as they're totally the same thing.

HORNDAWG · 10 Aug 2018, 17:01 (Ref:3842829)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Yes, totally fixed! I'm sure the 'Works' Cadillac will hate losing to a privateer non-works Cadillac! That's exactly the same as losing to a privateer non-works supported LMP2 customer chassis. There's absolutely no difference in those. The 'Works' team still loses.

FIFY

L.P.

Akrapovic · 10 Aug 2018, 17:15 (Ref:3842832)

Yup, because in no way to manufacturers ever take credit, or market customer teams winning! That'd be silly and we'd never see such a thing in motorsport. Feel free to fix this post and tell me that a Caddy isn't a Caddy!

I'll be sure to let Cadillac know that if JDC wins, they must never ever celebrate it.

Anyway, back in the real world - so now we have DPi and the CORE Autosport Appreciation class, supported by PR1. Is it likely anyone else will turn up? Or is this it for the foreseeable future? Not sure the 36 Hours of Florida incentive program is worth having now, unfortunately.

**joeb** · 10 Aug 2018, 18:20 (Ref:3842845)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Yup, because in no way to manufacturers ever take credit, or market customer teams winning! That'd be silly and we'd never see such a thing in motorsport. Feel free to fix this post and tell me that a Caddy isn't a Caddy!

I'll be sure to let Cadillac know that if JDC wins, they must never ever celebrate it.

Anyway, back in the real world - so now we have DPi and the CORE Autosport Appreciation class, supported by PR1. Is it likely anyone else will turn up? Or is this it for the foreseeable future? Not sure the 36 Hours of Florida incentive program is worth having now, unfortunately.

I'm hoping jdc is able to sell their Orecas to someone. I have no idea who that may be, but to me that would be a good outcome. There was talk of the open wheel team Juncos looking at prototypes. If they have a paying customer or two from junior formula, it could work out.

chernaudi · 10 Aug 2018, 18:43 (Ref:3842851)

I can see the points that are trying to be made. I doubt that Cadillac cares who wins as long as a Cadillac wins. Same with Joest and Champion when the ran Audi R8s, Audi Sport didn't care as long as an Audi won. And when Porsche dominated GT racing in the first half of the 2000s they didn't care that much if their favored team, be it Dick Barbour or AJR won or a true customer team. All they really cared about is that a Porsche won.

Same thing here, and it still gives Cadillac strength in numbers relative to the rest of the DPI field. That's unless Acura or Mazda sell customer cars, which Mazda has seemingly ruled out per Racer and Acura at least publicly doesn't have plans right now for customer cars.

I also agree to an extent that splitting a 12 or so car class into two 6-8 or so car classes doens't make a ton of sense, but the DPIs have been hamstrung, especially in terms of engine power, compared to initial performance levels. But as I've pointed out before, that was a device of IMSA's making by allowing development in what was intended to be a BOP class in an attempt to limit development, or at least discourage the spending of so much money and resources on it. Especially given that LMP2s were held to ACO specs and the ACO, outside of joker upgrades and basic car set up, doesn't allow any noteworthy changes during or between seasons currently.

MaskedRacer · 10 Aug 2018, 18:53 (Ref:3842852)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

I can see the points that are trying to be made. I doubt that Cadillac cares who wins as long as a Cadillac wins. Same with Joest and Champion when the ran Audi R8s, Audi Sport didn't care as long as an Audi won. And when Porsche dominated GT racing in the first half of the 2000s they didn't care that much if their favored team, be it Dick Barbour or AJR won or a true customer team. All they really cared about is that a Porsche won.

Same thing here, and it still gives Cadillac strength in numbers relative to the rest of the DPI field. That's unless Acura or Mazda sell customer cars, which Mazda has seemingly ruled out per Racer and Acura at least publicly doesn't have plans right now for customer cars.

I also agree to an extent that splitting a 12 or so car class into two 6-8 or so car classes doens't make a ton of sense, but the DPIs have been hamstrung, especially in terms of engine power, compared to initial performance levels. But as I've pointed out before, that was a device of IMSA's making by allowing development in what was intended to be a BOP class in an attempt to limit development, or at least discourage the spending of so much money and resources on it. Especially given that LMP2s were held to ACO specs and the ACO, outside of joker upgrades and basic car set up, doesn't allow any noteworthy changes during or between seasons currently.

Reminds me of the 2014 Petit Le Mans. The factory Porsche GT was working extra hard to fight off the Dodge Viper to protect the Falken Tire Porsche which was leading at the time. Falken did subsequently win GTLM at the 14 PLM.

chernaudi · 10 Aug 2018, 19:01 (Ref:3842854)

Detroit has been confirmed on the schedule after provisionally being on board, as the area DRC and Indy Car have agreed to a three year extension on racing at Belle Isle.

HORNDAWG · 10 Aug 2018, 19:48 (Ref:3842865)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Yup, because in no way to manufacturers ever take credit, or market customer teams winning! That'd be silly and we'd never see such a thing in motorsport. Feel free to fix this post and tell me that a Caddy isn't a Caddy!

I'll be sure to let Cadillac know that if JDC wins, they must never ever celebrate it.

Anyway, back in the real world - so now we have DPi and the CORE Autosport Appreciation class, supported by PR1. Is it likely anyone else will turn up? Or is this it for the foreseeable future? Not sure the 36 Hours of Florida incentive program is worth having now, unfortunately.

https://racer.com/2018/08/10/esm-to-...vity-for-2019/

Yeah, and anybody who buys these, is a 'Works" team, as it is a DPi .....

L.P.

Akrapovic · 10 Aug 2018, 19:52 (Ref:3842867)

So is that ESM to LMP2? It doesn't say that. In fact, worryingly, it doesn't even make mention of next years plans at all. It's basically a classified ad to sell the cars.

Yeah, and anybody who thinks a Cadillac winning won't be celebrated or credited by Cadillac because they aren't a works team...

Edit: When is a Cadillac not a Cadillac? Whenever your post gets fixed for you!

Akrapovic · 10 Aug 2018, 19:58 (Ref:3842868)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Detroit has been confirmed on the schedule after provisionally being on board, as the area DRC and Indy Car have agreed to a three year extension on racing at Belle Isle.

I think it's pretty awesome that the worst track on the calendar is Belle Isle...and it's still pretty awesome.

HORNDAWG · 10 Aug 2018, 20:02 (Ref:3842870)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

So is that ESM to LMP2? It doesn't say that. In fact, worryingly, it doesn't even make mention of next years plans at all. It's basically a classified ad to sell the cars.

Yeah, and anybody who thinks a Cadillac winning won't be celebrated or credited by Cadillac because they aren't a works team...

Edit: When is a Cadillac not a Cadillac? Whenever your post gets fixed for you!

Well repeatedly by your logic, anyone in a DPi is a 'Works' team and there is no such thing as a privateer .... !

L.P.

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