F1 tv viewing set to plummet further - Page 12

**bella** · 2 Mar 2018, 14:37 (Ref:3805238)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Seems like a recipe for a disaster.

only if you’re still stuck with the bernie vision for where f1’s sponsor money and publicity should come from. the way money flows into and around the sport is changing.

**Adam43** · 21 Mar 2018, 20:16 (Ref:3809697)

I find this interesting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43487528

I often stuck up for sky citing the example of rugby. They actually put games on telly, it was the only way to watch club games realistically. Obviously this is in the days FTA was only four or five channels. They built it up and when there was a base to launch a new European Cup they pushed that too. It became big. BT has nicked a lot of it. Now it’s on FTA! That’s competition.

They’ve gone the opposite way to F1 in some ways.

Although if you want to watch the second tier English rugby and a lot of foreign club games sky still support it.

And our Simon started on rugby.

NaBUru38 · 21 Mar 2018, 20:44 (Ref:3809708)

Team sports have multiple matches per weekend, so they can put some on air, some on basic cable, some on premium, and some online.

In individual sports, there's only one event per weekend, so you can't really do that.

**Adam43** · 21 Mar 2018, 20:47 (Ref:3809710)

True. If I had a point, it was more that sky added to the sport and now FTA stole (a bit of) it! The organisers thought it good to give them some coverage, including the final - only one game then!

Oldtony · 21 Mar 2018, 22:54 (Ref:3809742)

According to JAonF1 CCTV the main state run channel in CHina has just signed to show F1 on FTA nationwide.
That's a potentially larger FTA audience than F1 has ever had and in a market for more sales of the high end merchandise F1 relates too than any other.
I think Liberty has it's eye on the prize.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 22 Mar 2018, 00:57 (Ref:3809764)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

I find this interesting
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43487528

I often stuck up for sky citing the example of rugby. They actually put games on telly, it was the only way to watch club games realistically. Obviously this is in the days FTA was only four or five channels. They built it up and when there was a base to launch a new European Cup they pushed that too. It became big. BT has nicked a lot of it. Now it’s on FTA! That’s competition.

They’ve gone the opposite way to F1 in some ways.

Although if you want to watch the second tier English rugby and a lot of foreign club games sky still support it.

And our Simon started on rugby.

So, F1 should have oval wheels?

**Adam43** · 22 Mar 2018, 18:54 (Ref:3809954)

I guess of the FIA ask Pirelli they could provide that.

NaBUru38 · 24 Mar 2018, 15:05 (Ref:3810414)

I'm watching a re-run of qualifying on Fox Sports 3, as live coverage was in the early morning while I was sleeping, and on Fox Premium Action which I decided not to pay for.

Pit reporter Juan Fossaroli said that the TV press was split in 5 groups, and he was paired with other Spanish and French journalists. They had just 3 minutes for all questions in both languages.

Casper · 26 Mar 2018, 07:40 (Ref:3810819)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Yup, they need to remember at the end of the day it is a sport, and the sport is racing.

Well its hard to see the pig if its hiding behind a wall.. Armco

So you'd better take your audience with you! Spot the mistake.

You just have to remember one thing, BE only developed F1 for one reason and one reason only and that was as a wealth development tool for him and others he invited in, there was no other reason. To think he did it for any other reason like developing the sport to make it more sporting is naive to say the least. The genie is now out of the bottle so there will be no turning back now.

**Peter Mallett** · 26 Mar 2018, 07:54 (Ref:3810821)

Yes I concur. It is no longer a sport, or indeed a spectacle. And Yes, no turning back.

Moneyseeker · 26 Mar 2018, 08:54 (Ref:3810842)

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Originally Posted by Casper

You just have to remember one thing, BE only developed F1 for one reason and one reason only and that was as a wealth development tool for him and others he invited in, there was no other reason. To think he did it for any other reason like developing the sport to make it more sporting is naive to say the least. The genie is now out of the bottle so there will be no turning back now.

Yep, agreed and he did no promotion or marketing of the sport or invest in junior motor sport. It was a business model of its time and one that delivered profits that I suspect Liberty will find hard to match.

S griffin · 26 Mar 2018, 09:15 (Ref:3810848)

Bernie did not care if the sport went under, all he cared was more dosh for his empire in recent times

justracing · 26 Mar 2018, 09:15 (Ref:3810849)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

It is no longer a sport, or indeed a spectacle.

Absolutely agree, so is it still a marketable product?

**Peter Mallett** · 26 Mar 2018, 09:59 (Ref:3810863)

Not according to Max.

https://twitter.com/autosport/status...852696064?s=19

**bjohnsonsmith** · 26 Mar 2018, 17:21 (Ref:3811000)

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Originally Posted by justracing

Absolutely agree, so is it still a marketable product?

I think it's more of a question of how one goes about marketing F1, rather than if it is still marketable. For example, putting F1 behind a pay wall is going to limit viewer accessibility, which in turn will lead to less exposure for companies advertising their products and companies will therefore look elsewhere, so their products get better exposure.

chillibowl · 26 Mar 2018, 17:45 (Ref:3811007)

one bit of news from the weekend was the announcement of a 10 part Netflix doc to air next year about the 2018 season.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/n...9-1018131/?s=1

if done well (one of the same producers as the Senna doc) things like this have a great chance of exposing a wider audience to F1 particularly to those that dont subscribe to the F1 paywall.

Mike Harte · 26 Mar 2018, 18:11 (Ref:3811020)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

one bit of news from the weekend was the announcement of a 10 part Netflix doc to air next year about the 2018 season.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/n...9-1018131/?s=1

if done well (one of the same producers as the Senna doc) things like this have a great chance of exposing a wider audience to F1 particularly to those that dont subscribe to the F1 paywall.

But isn't there a possibility that those who don't subscribe for the behind the paywall F1 programming will also not be subscribers to Netflix or others such as Amazon Prime. In my view there's enough crap on my cable bundle, including about 50 FTA progammes, without having to pay extra for even more crap.

Akrapovic · 26 Mar 2018, 19:15 (Ref:3811062)

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Originally Posted by Mike Harte

But isn't there a possibility that those who don't subscribe for the behind the paywall F1 programming will also not be subscribers to Netflix or others such as Amazon Prime. In my view there's enough crap on my cable bundle, including about 50 FTA progammes, without having to pay extra for even more crap.

But the cable bundle could cost £50, compared to Netflix £10. And Netflix has it all on demand, whereas TV won't. And Netflix works on almost any device, whereas most of the cable bundle won't. So it's quite a different beast to deal with. Of course, there's a chance that some won't see it, but Netflix has subscriber numbers of 120 million so it's a huge potential audience. And since it's a Netflix original it can go worldwide, and appear on the front splash of Netflix on any device. That's pretty massive.

**bella** · 26 Mar 2018, 19:42 (Ref:3811069)

it's only a documentary, so the smart money would be to wait until it was all on there, and then take the months free trial and binge watch it

**Peter Mallett** · 26 Mar 2018, 21:39 (Ref:3811090)

That would be subject to regional access.

midgetman · 27 Mar 2018, 07:40 (Ref:3811163)

It's still a paywall though isn't it? OK not as big a paywall as Sky etc but it isn't FTA by any stretch of the imagination.

Plus being a documentary it will be interesting to see how much actual racing they show, compared to "unique behind the scenes access" and "candid interviews." In other words the cheap stuff.

What will attract new people to the sport is great racing, easy to find and cars that really fire the imagination.

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chillibowl · 27 Mar 2018, 17:39 (Ref:3811303)

is it still FTA if you had to pay for the TV?

if F1 gave me a free TV i would watch more. also free snacks...i need free snacks too.

BSchneiderFan · 27 Mar 2018, 18:10 (Ref:3811308)

Nothing is truly free. Even C4 coverage requires a TV licence. But I do worry for viewing figures once it’s Sky only.

djinvicta · 27 Mar 2018, 18:37 (Ref:3811313)

No..free in France..CH4 on www.tvcatchup.com
Live TV on internet for free...We use it in Spain too..
And if you want BBC iplayer abroad, download psiphon.com for free and load it up there..
Ways round most things..

Oldtony · 28 Mar 2018, 09:45 (Ref:3811449)

Among all the gloom and dissatisfaction no one is mentioning the new CCTV deal for live coverage in China by the top rated (and State owned) broadcaster there.
If they can get 5% ratings it will put the audience figures in both Europe and the US in perspective.

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