Rumours 2022 Silly Season - Page 8

BTCC frog · 31 Aug 2021, 17:45 (Ref:4071400)

If racefans are correct - https://www.racefans.net/2021/08/31/...zzi-loses-out/

This is the driver lineup for next season:

Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton
George Russell

Red Bull
Max Verstappen
Sergio Perez

McLaren
Lando Norris
Daniel Ricciardo

Ferrari
Charles Leclerc
Carlos Sainz

Alpine
Fernando Alonso
Esteban Ocon

Alpha Tauri
Pierre Gasly
Yuki Tsunoda

Aston Martin
Sebastian Vettel
Lance Stroll

Williams
Alexander Albon
Nicholas Latifi

Alfa Romeo
Valtteri Bottas
Nyck De Vries

Haas
Mick Schumacher
Nikita Mazepin

chillibowl · 31 Aug 2021, 17:57 (Ref:4071401)

Albon in a Williams?

Is this something thats been previously speculated on?

Edit: nm. Looks like its being discussed in another thread

Richard C · 31 Aug 2021, 18:12 (Ref:4071403)

George to Mercedes. Most anticipated move for 2022, but we are just waiting on confirmation. I like the idea of Albon back in F1. I am going to miss Kimi. We will be talking about him for years to come. But everyone's day as an F1 driver eventually comes to an end.

Richard

broadrun96 · 31 Aug 2021, 18:28 (Ref:4071404)

Hopefully it's announced before the end and he can get that last lap acknowledgement. And knowing him try to drive the car straight home

**Aysedasi** · 31 Aug 2021, 18:34 (Ref:4071405)

It would be great to see De Vries in F1, loads of talent and would be sportscars loss....

S griffin · 31 Aug 2021, 19:55 (Ref:4071421)

I would love to De Vries in F1 too, a talent that’s been shown in enough in other formulas

Greem · 1 Sep 2021, 17:56 (Ref:4071530)

It's now official: Kimi retiring at the end of this season.

Can we keep him in the DOTR vote though?

Richard C · 1 Sep 2021, 18:35 (Ref:4071535)

With Kimi announcing his retirement. I expect dominoes to fall quickly. I think this will settle Kimi's seat (Bottas), Bottas' seat (Russell) and Russell's seat (?). Additional speculation by many that Giovinazzi will also exit F1.

Richard

broadrun96 · 1 Sep 2021, 19:10 (Ref:4071538)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greem

It's now official: Kimi retiring at the end of this season.

Can we keep him in the DOTR vote though?

The honorary Kimi ice cream of the week award?

peebee2 · 1 Sep 2021, 19:56 (Ref:4071545)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

With Kimi announcing his retirement. I expect dominoes to fall quickly. I think this will settle Kimi's seat (Bottas), Bottas' seat (Russell) and Russell's seat (?). Additional speculation by many that Giovinazzi will also exit F1.

Richard

Especially if Sauber go Mercedes as rumoured, and Williams go Renault as suggested earlier in the year.

B0U170NS · 1 Sep 2021, 20:23 (Ref:4071549)

Quote:

Originally Posted by peebee2

Especially if Sauber go Mercedes as rumoured, and Williams go Renault as suggested earlier in the year.

Would Alfa Romeo really want to be with Mercedes over Ferrari (engines) at Sauber?

Richard C · 1 Sep 2021, 21:01 (Ref:4071556)

Quote:

Originally Posted by peebee2

Especially if Sauber go Mercedes as rumoured, and Williams go Renault as suggested earlier in the year.

While there remains time to announce engine supplier changes, it would seem odd for Williams to change horse in mid-stream of their current recovery. While the power units have standard mounting points, overall packaging, cooling requirements, etc. are specific to each solution. Isn't Williams now planning to use both a provided power unit AND transmission? I would think that Williams (really anyone) given the stakes for getting a 2022 solution right, would prefer to build upon what they already know (the Mercedes solution). Or if they are designing around something else (such as the Renault). I would expect they couldn't keep that secret. I can even imagine (I would do this) that Mercedes may have stipulations that if a team is known to be switching, that they must notify Mercedes so that they can adjust as needed. And I can't imagine Renault providing technical details to Williams without having a contract in hand.

Richard

**Aysedasi** · 2 Sep 2021, 10:33 (Ref:4071612)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greem

It's now official: Kimi retiring at the end of this season.

Can we keep him in the DOTR vote though?

I'm just worried for Pete...... He must be devastated.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by B0U170NS

Would Alfa Romeo really want to be with Mercedes over Ferrari (engines) at Sauber?

Surely the answer to that is 'Yes'......

S griffin · 2 Sep 2021, 12:48 (Ref:4071627)

Bit of a sad day Kimi is leaving, but it is no doubt the right time. He's the same age as Rossi, who's also retiring from MotoGP at the end of the year. Even if Kimi still has something left in him, he's never going to reach his previous heights of even his second Ferrari career. But we'll miss him all the same, great character

V8 Fireworks · 3 Sep 2021, 02:06 (Ref:4071712)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Surely the answer to that is 'Yes'......

Sauber might want Mercedes power units, but I doubt Alfa Romeo would consider it acceptable for obvious reasons -- Alfa Romeo and Mercedes are direct competitors.

At least in theory, even if sadly in the real world buyers (on average) seem to prefer leasing three-pointed-badged cars to serpent-badged ones, much to the dismay of those who had drawn up the business case for the Giulia and Stelvio only for sales to fall well short of expectations.

Teretonga · 3 Sep 2021, 04:03 (Ref:4071728)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I'm just worried for Pete...... He must be devastated.....

Surely the answer to that is 'Yes'......

Or no if they were in line to get one of the new revised engines Ferrari is saying they will have before the end of the year.

peebee2 · 3 Sep 2021, 06:47 (Ref:4071740)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Or no if they were in line to get one of the new revised engines Ferrari is saying they will have before the end of the year.

A future claim being better than the engine which has comfortably dominated and won every single championship since the current regs began seven years ago?

Being better than the only customer engine to have ever win a race in the current era?

People have some strange ideas. Whether commercial considerations kill it or not, of course they’d want it.

crmalcolm · 3 Sep 2021, 07:09 (Ref:4071744)

Quote:

Originally Posted by peebee2

Being better than the only customer engine to have ever win a race in the current era?

IIRC, the Honda and Renault engines are the only ones to take a win as a customer engine?

I

E.B · 3 Sep 2021, 07:24 (Ref:4071746)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

IIRC, the Honda and Renault engines are the only ones to take a win as a customer engine?

I

The team formerly known as Racing Point used a Merc customer engine to win the 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix.

peebee2 · 3 Sep 2021, 07:36 (Ref:4071748)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

IIRC, the Honda and Renault engines are the only ones to take a win as a customer engine?

I

Neither of those have. Honda have only supplied works motors since returning to F1, and Red Bull was the works Renault team at the time, unless I’ve forgotten someone else.

Merc have done though.

E.B · 3 Sep 2021, 07:53 (Ref:4071753)

Quote:

Originally Posted by peebee2

Neither of those have. Honda have only supplied works motors since returning to F1, and Red Bull was the works Renault team at the time, unless I’ve forgotten someone else.

Merc have done though.

Grey area I admit but Gasly won at Monza 2020 in an AlphaTauri (my understanding is Red Bull specifically was the Honda engine works team)

peebee2 · 3 Sep 2021, 08:01 (Ref:4071754)

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.B

Grey area I admit but Gasly won at Monza 2020 in an AlphaTauri (my understanding is Red Bull specifically was the Honda engine works team)

Yeah, but they don’t pay for them, they come out of the same truck, share the same personnel and go in the same Red Bull Technologies designed structure. But a slight grey area nonetheless.

crmalcolm · 3 Sep 2021, 08:26 (Ref:4071759)

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.B

The team formerly known as Racing Point used a Merc customer engine to win the 2020 Sakhir Grand Prix.

Missed that one. The same season that Alpha-Tauri took a win with a customer engine?

Quote:

Originally Posted by peebee2

Neither of those have. Honda have only supplied works motors since returning to F1, and Red Bull was the works Renault team at the time, unless I’ve forgotten someone else.

Merc have done though.

To date, Red Bull has always been a customer of engines. What is difference between:
AMG High Performance Powertrains building engines in Brixworth and supplying them to teams and ;
Renault and Honda building engines in Viry-Châtillon and Sakura and supplying them to teams?

S griffin · 3 Sep 2021, 08:46 (Ref:4071770)

I guess it depends if they are a works team. Like Benetton were the official Ford works team in the late 80s and early 90s.

peebee2 · 3 Sep 2021, 09:29 (Ref:4071773)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

To date, Red Bull has always been a customer of engines.

All to do with the McLaren/Honda contract. In reality both RB teams are works Honda engines.

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