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22 Jun 2018, 13:04 (Ref:3832494) | #1701 | ||
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Well a Corvette GTE PRO entry for Shanghai-who woulda thunk it?
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...wec-entry.html Fantastic to see this happen. |
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22 Jun 2018, 13:06 (Ref:3832496) | #1702 | ||
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^ And Fehan just last week:
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22 Jun 2018, 13:16 (Ref:3832497) | #1703 | |
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Yeah, sounds like GM Asia just said they'll pay for it. So really is just a case of if someone pays for it then they'll run it.
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22 Jun 2018, 13:22 (Ref:3832498) | #1704 | |
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Any chance they will do double duty at Sebring?
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22 Jun 2018, 18:44 (Ref:3832560) | #1706 | |
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Looks like it'll have a nice one-off livery too. Cool.
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25 Jun 2018, 13:49 (Ref:3833020) | #1708 | ||
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This is mostly about Le Mans, but does point out issues over EOT/BOP and pit rules for the whole of this WEC season:
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...out-again.html |
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28 Jun 2018, 23:54 (Ref:3833517) | #1709 | ||
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BoP must be fair and reasonable.
The LMP1 rules are ridiculously unfair. And the GTE rules change too much every race. |
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29 Jun 2018, 06:08 (Ref:3833538) | #1710 | |
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I never thought of BoP being more fair than the LMP1 rules. Actually I think of them in the opposite way. If you build a faster/more efficient/in some way better car than your competitors to the same rules as them you deserve to enjoy this advantage and not get put down to a lower level. It is called prototype afterall. LMP1 is one of the last non spec/pseudo-spec class apart from F1 and it would be a huge shame in my opinion to lose this aspect from the top class at Le Mans.
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29 Jun 2018, 12:59 (Ref:3833598) | #1711 | ||
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Well, EOT will become BOP it seems by 2020.
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30 Jun 2018, 01:27 (Ref:3833703) | #1712 | |
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What is there to BoP
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30 Jun 2018, 09:19 (Ref:3833737) | #1714 | |
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Not sure we want to go through all of this again, but the idea of a hard limit on fuel stints is directly from the BoP way of doing things. When you start integrating BoP features, don't be surprised when people think you're going down the BoP route.
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30 Jun 2018, 12:03 (Ref:3833748) | #1716 | |
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I agree the hard limits are stupid and should not have been applied in the race itself, they're a far cry from actual BoP. I'm not sure how much more clear it can be made to people what the difference really is, especially with some groups of people having already made up their minds about it beforehand.
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30 Jun 2018, 12:25 (Ref:3833754) | #1717 | ||
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To me, new specs, in the spirit are not so much different from a SGT/silouhette like formula.... guess that even with X same power for everyone and Y same downforce for everyone, one kind of car will be however faster/slower.... won't be surprised if a weight ballast chart according to race results will be set. |
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30 Jun 2018, 15:38 (Ref:3833771) | #1718 | ||
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It's quite literally there to balance the performance of vehicles regarding how far they can go in a stint without having to do the hard work of making sure every piece of the puzzle fits together. The irony here of you saying people have already made up their minds, given the previous discussions that have been had on the mandated stint lengths is not lost on me. Spoiler alert: I was right. Since we're being clear on things. |
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30 Jun 2018, 16:07 (Ref:3833777) | #1719 | ||
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There was an article on SC365 where a ACO/FIA technical delegate says that there's going to be caps on several development areas, and that they effectively want to phase out EOT as we know it:
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...-in-2020-regs/ I know that SC365 editors have been criticized here for taking comments out of context, but these are comments from the leading FIA/ACO tech guy. This Racer Magazine article also hints at some of the proposed development limits: https://racer.com/2018/06/15/2020-lm...ed-at-le-mans/ When you're tinkering with things are fuel flow/allowance and aero to try and get cars to within a certain percentage point of each other, that's not EOT in my mind, which was originally more hands off, but BOP, which is very hands on. IMO, the ACO are adopting their take on IMSA's performance balancing techniques. |
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Sorry for being late with this--I had some matters to attend to before thinking of this--but I think it's fair to point out that my ramblings are about the post 2020 regs where EOT as we know it is supposed to be phased out. So that part of the discussion is better suited probably for the LMP future regs thread.
As for the near future, what can the ACO do to try and tighten up the fight at the front the field in LMP1? Are they willing or able to peg back Toyota? How much more can they give the LMP1 privateers? Also, the hard caps on stint lengths need to go IMO. A lot of people on here want to see them go, DSC wants to see them go, IMO, they don't make much sense. If someone wants to go a lap or two further on fuel or tires while sacrificing performance, let them. |
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I hope you managed to satisfactorily deal with the matters you needed to attend to.
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Nothing serious--I just got side tracked doing dishes.
Point is in this case what can the ACO do near term to try and close things up at the front in LMP1? I do wonder how much fuel they can afford to have the LMP1 privateers burn per stint. I myself am a bit skeptical about reverting back to the 110kg/hr rate that existed pre-Le Mans as far as making a noticeable difference, but could the ACO reasonably raise that limit much higher? |
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Random post warning.
Eduardo Freitas is spending his weekend marshaling at Le Mans Classic. Respect. It's being live streamed on the Peter Auto YouTube channel now. Worth a watch. https://youtu.be/r13Cb6do4T4 PS: please don't reply to this post. I don't want to get into trouble with the mods. Also didn't want to start a new thread about Eduardo's weekends off. Last edited by Mike E; 8 Jul 2018 at 08:43. |
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