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Old 5 Feb 2005, 21:12 (Ref:1218408)   #1
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2 Aussie Drivers in All Time Top 20

UK magazine 'Motorsport' in their February edition have listed the all time top 20 saloon / touring car drivers of all time as follows:

1. Steve Soper
2. Peter Brock
3. Andy Rouse
4. Alain Menu
5. Bernd Schneider
6. Frank Gardner
7. Roberto Ravaglia
8. Gerry Marshall
9. Jim Clark
10. John Cleland
11. Gabriele Tarquini
12. Klaus Ludwig
13. Laurent Aiello
14. Dieter Quester
15. Hans Stuck Jnr
16. Jo Winkelhock
17. Jack Sears
18. Rickard Rydell
19. Frank Biela
=20. Brian Muir
=20. Nicola Larini

It mentions Colin Bond, Dick Johnson, Larry Perkins, Jim Richards and Mark Skaife as worthy contenders. I would have thought Klaus Neidzweidz and Win Percy would have been included, particuarly as they were among the few European drivers who actually mastered Mt Panorama. The article described Bathurst as the world's biggest touring car event.

Couldn't really work out how Steve Soper won, but I guess it is a Pommy mag. The piece on Gardner concentrated on his UK efforts in the mid 70's, while for Brock stated that with little doubt he would have been a force in European motorsport had he chosen to go down that path, which apart from the Bob Jane Porsche in 84 and the 86 HDT campaign he did very little of.

The article also described Bathurst as the world's most important touring car award. See related thread in WTCC & European Touring Cars section.
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Old 5 Feb 2005, 22:13 (Ref:1218432)   #2
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im just asking because he was before my time really, although i have seen him drive

what has colin bond done in his career to get him a mention
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Old 5 Feb 2005, 22:25 (Ref:1218437)   #3
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Colin Bond won Bathurst in 69 and drove for the HDT up until 75 i think. He then was involved in the famous Alan Moffat 1-2. Colin also drove Sierras and some Porsche cars for Alan Hamilton. He was also a very good rally driver.
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Old 5 Feb 2005, 22:29 (Ref:1218441)   #4
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thanks pete any ATCC championships or similar?
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Old 5 Feb 2005, 23:03 (Ref:1218448)   #5
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2 Aussies in the top 10, not bad!
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Old 5 Feb 2005, 23:55 (Ref:1218477)   #6
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1969 Bathurst, and 1975 ATCC if memory serves me correctly
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Old 6 Feb 2005, 00:46 (Ref:1218511)   #7
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Here's the link to thread in the European/BTCC Touring Car forum
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64836

'Motorsport' is one of may favourite mags, just a pity it takes 2 months to get here.....

I've been over it in the other thread, but to give this thread some substance to keep going , basically;

I can't understand how Jim Clark, John Cleland, Rickard Rydell or Nicola Larini made the list.

I can't understand how the likes of Tom Walkinshaw, Win Percy, Sigi Muller Snr, Klaus Neidzweidz and Emmanuelle Pirro didn't make the list.

The number of Australians on the list (aside from internationals who made the list, Frank Gardner and Brian Muir) was always going to be limited due to the lack of international running that alot of our drivers have had in touring cars, especially nowadays due to our unique rules. It is very hard to judge how good our touring car drivers are nowadays, the internationals coming over to run at Sandown and Bathurst nowadays is not accurate representation of the level of the drivers, as they don't get much time in the cars.
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John Cleland spent 15 years + running against the top talent in the BTCC and ended up with 2 titles.... he is no slouch... and likely deserves his place, especially for his off-track quotability....

I wonder if they will add Mr Ambrose to this in a few years time, or will he have to continue to run in other one-offs (like the Daytona 24hr, which as at right now, his car is leading the GT class) in order to get noticed?
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Old 6 Feb 2005, 01:24 (Ref:1218525)   #9
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Cleland was only a regular though from about 1989 -1999 in the BTCC, and '89 and '90 were spent in lower class cars. His first title in 1989 was achieved only because of a points system which was awarded on class position, not outright position, and alot of the time in his class the only other entries for the round was other GM Dealersport Vauxhall Astra's.

He was very competitive from 1991-1995, but he spent the last 4 years tooling around in admittedly uncompetitive Vectra's, and by 1999 just wasn't interested (though that was helped by a certain Mr Muller)
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But also ran in Thundersaloons, taking a title or two aboard an ex-HDT Bathurst VK....

Lets not forget MotorSport is UK based...
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Old 6 Feb 2005, 01:48 (Ref:1218529)   #11
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Certainly, but Thundersaloons weren't strictly Touring Cars were they, did produce some fantastic machinery though I will admit that there are drivers who i rate lower than Cleland in the list as well

anthony81901 - I missed this originally, but there are 3 Aussies in the list, not just 2.

2. Peter Brock

6. Frank Gardner

=20. Brian Muir
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Lets not forget MotorSport is UK based...
That would explain the bias in listing Brock at only number 2!
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im just asking because he was before my time really, although i have seen him drive

what has colin bond done in his career to get him a mention
only driver to win Bathurst, ATCC & ARC:
Bathurst 69, ARC 71, 72, & 74, ATCC 75.

drove open wheelers & sports cars.

During Gr A he drove Alfas & Sierras at or near the front.
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