Brabham BT21

[JagtechOhio]

Hi dirk,

What engine was in it? Send me a private message if you still have it.

Thanks and best wishes with your project,

Andy

[cavvy]

Info only:
http://www.sothebysaustralia.com.au/...010&offset=100

[patrice royet]

Hello to all
I thank you for aceuillir me on your forum
I appealed to your big knowledge of the history(story) because I am in search of information, of photos, owners' names of Brabham BT 21/28 chassis AM 199 who seems t-il belonged to Roy Lane who run(roamed) in Hill climbs
Transformed seem t-il by Roy Lane in Repco Techecraft in 1967
I was able to glean some information which I wish to verifier to obtain a passport FIA
According to the elements which I was able to find, because these automobiles all had a tempestuous past and in many a time transformed to adapt itself to the changeable regulations.

It is about Brabham BT 21/28 modified on the basis of a BT 14 HCS - serie FL-1-65 II (it seems that he(it) had 2 produced chassis 1 for Australia FL - 1 - 65 - I and the chassis of this car produced for England) - N of chassis AM199 - Motors Arch source
I give you little of information which I have but that I cannot the verifier
1965 - John et David Bridges
1966 - Brian Eccles - 3eme du Championnat
1967/1968 - Roy Lane qui la modifia pour le compte de son ecurie Techcraft Repco en allongeant le chassis pour mettre le V 8 Buick
1969 - Jim Johnstone
1970 - Jonh Scott walker
1971 - Malcom Dungworth
La voiture a ensuite était vendue au USA
1971 - Don Drosco de Monterey - Californie (restaurée en 1995)
1998 - Jean Zuppan de Portland - Orégon
2002 - Jim Schnelle de Seattle (restaurée) a participée au Derek Bell Trophy
2006 - Jonathan Burke - Retour en Angleterre où elle fut de nouveau restaurée par Peter Burnand Grosvenor Garage
2008 - propriétaire actuel

1 victoire Ã* Silverstone le 30/03/1968 en FL Roy Lane
1 victoire Ã* Silverstone le 22/03/1969 en FL Roy Lane
1 victoire Ã* Croft le 15/03/1970 en FL Willie wood
Thank you for your precious help
Very cordially
Excuse me for my English
Patrice Royet
Www.patriceroyetconsulting.com

[allenbrown]

A very interesting history - but not everything is right.

> 1 victoire Ã* Silverstone le 22/03/1969 en FL Roy Lane

Lane won this race in the 1969 TechCraft-Buick, not the BT14/21.

> 1 victoire Ã* Croft le 15/03/1970 en FL Willie wood

Wood won this race in his ex-Hepworth Brabham BT11A-Buick, not the BT14/21.

Jonathan Burke told me that Don Orosco bought the Brabham in 1995, not in 1971. He was unaware of its history between 1971 and 1995. In fact, Jonathan believed it to be a completely different BT14.

[patrice royet]

Hello
Thank you for these 1st information
Know you in when Mr Burke bought the car and to whom and in when he resold her(it)?
The information on the chassis she(it) are just? BT 14 HCS - FL-1-65 AM 199
It is disturbing this hole in the history(story) between 1971 and 1995 it is possible that this car is travelled in Australia or in Asia
Mr Burke and Mr Don Drosco participated in one chase automobile with this car
One thousand times still thank you for your help(assistant)
Indeed to you
Patrice Royet

[allenbrown]

Patrice, anything is possible between 1971 and 1995! Is it definitely the Malcolm Dungworth car?

Jonathan bought his BT14 from Jim Schnell (Seattle Washington) in early 2005. Is that definitely the car you have now? Why do you describe your car as a BT21?

[patrice royet]

Hello Allen
Thank you for your interêt for this car
The car was sold to the current owner Mr Guiraud in France for a BT 21/28 it was sold except enchéres by Bohmans in 2008, grace in N ° chassis AM199 it seems that it is made of a BT 14 there - 1 FL 65, but I have no sertitude
On the other hand she(it) fu indeed Roy Lane's property
Other question mark: in the opinion of the owner, she(it) will have run(roamed) in the Derek Bell Trofy between 2003 and 2006 and ca does not stick with your information of Jonahatan who shall have bought him(it) in 2005
Other interrogation than become this car between 1971 and 1995 and to whom Jonahatan in t-il sold the car is it to my customer, I have no this information because the owner lost in a move the documentation
Only certainties which I have it is N ° of Chassis
Cordially
Patrice Royet

[patrice royet]

Dear Allen
Find attached the presentation(display) of Bonhams to Goodwood in 2008
Can etre it will light(enlighten) you
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Lot 360: 1967-69 Techcraft Repco Brabham-Buick BT21 Sprint and Racing Single Seater
Sports, Competition & Collectors Motor Cars, Bonhams (19th September 2008)
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Roy Lane was a highly-regarded Warwickshire engineer who came to great prominence within the British sprint and hill-climb scene during the later 1960s. In 1968 he ran a gleaming orange Repco Brabham BT14 which he modified to accept a 3.5-litre Buick V8 engine. For 1969 he then built a development of this car using as its basis a Repco Brabham BT21 production Formula 3/Formula B chassis supplied brand-new from the triple-World Champion?s famous New Haw works adjacent to the Brooklands track in Surrey.
Hill-climb historian Chris Mason wrote in his superb book ?Uphill Racers? (Bookmarque Publishing, 1990, ISBN 1-870519-08-06) ?Roy Lane showed off his spotless new TechCraft-Buick ? Brabham BT21/28 based and with only two wheel drive after all ? with a race win at Silverstone?. He then went on to star as one of the major protagonists in the annual RAC British Hill-Climb Championship, eventually achieving back-to-back Championship titles in 1975-76 driving a McRae-Chevrolet GM1.
We understand that this TechCraft-developed Brabham BT21 offered here was a Roy Lane car and converted by him and his TechCraft operation to accommodate the V8 Buick engine. It was acquired by the current owner in 2002 in the West Country, and was totally restored to high standards by Hansford Engineering for circuit racing within the Historic Sports Car Club?s popular Derek Bell Trophy competition from 2003 to 2006. The car has also been raced at the Spa-Francorchamps circuit in Belgium.
Modifications from original Brabham design centre upon the engine bay at the rear of the chassis frame which now ? we are advised - houses a 430bhp 3.9-litre Buick V8 engine, driving to the rear wheels via a Hewland FG400 transaxle gearbox. The car has been maintained to ?a prestige standard? for its present owner/vendor by Peter Burnand of the Grosvenor Garage company.
The car has benefited from a complete engine rebuild, while all steering, brakes, fuel and oil tanks and electrical wiring systems have been similarly serviced. The glassfibre bodywork is finished in green and gold ? similar to the preferred livery of the Brabham Racing Organisation Formula 1 and Formula 2 teams themselves, and the condition of the engine is described by the vendor as ?excellent ? still running in?. This is a very interesting single-seater which would certainly reward any competent driver. It should be able to compete with heavier full 5-litre Formula 5000/Formula A cars of similar vintage, and it would offer a successful bidder some very enjoyable single-seater competition across a broad spectrum of events and venues.

[allenbrown]

Patrice, that is the 1969 TechCraft, not a BT14.

The history of John Bridges, Brian Eccles, Roy Lane, Jim Johnstone, John Scott Walker and Malcom Dungworth does not belong to that car.

The history of Don Orosco, John Zuppan, Jim Schnell and Jonathan Burke does not belong to that car.

The Bonhams car is the 1969 TechCraft which has been in historic racing for some years now. I saw it in 2006 when it was owned by Mike Gatt.

[mgwk]

For some reason I found myself needing to check Brabham BT21 detail this morning and noticed a post detailing the cars built in 1967. There is a mention of certain chassis numbers missing history; I can help with BT21/24. It went to us at Winfield - we had nos 24 and 28; Tico Martini and Mike Knight and Richard Knight drove them both that year, though Mike usually drove 28; Tico raced 24 and Richard took it over when Tico decided to concentrate on building his own cars.

[allenbrown]

Jonathan Burke still owns his BT14 and will be racing it this weekend.

Patrice, you really need to change the history of your car on your website. You own the 1969 TechCraft-Buick, not a Brabham BT14.

[patrice royet]

Hello mgwk and thank you for your proposition of help(assistant) for l " authentification of this car
I am very desoled because the car was presented and sold by bonhams to Goodwood sepembre on 2008 for a BT 21/28 Techcraft Repco ex: Roy Lane
My customer was a victim of a swindle!!!
Only one(Only) thing(matter) of which I am on is N ° of chassis 199
He(It) is trés importing that I find track of this car
I took note of Allen's information
Techcraft of 1969 - Mike Gatt
Shall be it Miss Agnes Mickel's car
Still thank you for your help(assistant) to all
Patrice Royet

[patrice royet]

Dear Allen

I modified my Web site according to your information
Excuse I with Johantan Burke for this involuntary confusion
Have you the other information on this ex Mike Gatt, is it transports her(it) at the origin of beauty queen Agnes Mickel
cordially
Patrice Royet

[allenbrown]

Dear Patrice

Lane sold the TechCraft-Buick to John Cussins for 1970 and it may have gone to Gray and Agnes Mickel for 1971. I cannot confirm that is the same car that Mike Gatt owned in 2006 but that was certainly the impression I came away with. However, Gatt's car may have been a different TechCraft or a different Brabham BT21.

The AM199 number on your car may not be correct either. There is a Brabham BT21 in Australia that has the number AM199.

The vendor at the auction needs to tell you more about this car; in particular you need to know its last few owners so its complete history can be traced.

Cordialement
Allen

[Ted Walker]

This car is a TECHCRAFT NOT a Brabham. It was a spare unused chassis constructed by Ken Nicholls for Roy Lane.The Arch motors Number "appeared during a prevoius ownership" The Techcraft Brabham Buick has been owned for a long time by Peter Voight

[patrice royet]

Dear Ted and Allen
Thank you for your information
Can one stack both stories? They are the same cars?
I confirm that the car is an ex Mike Gatt
Thank you for your answer
Patrice

[allenbrown]

Steve Wilkinson, who has unfortunately been banned from this forum, an action I find baffling, has done some research and identified five cars that were either called TechCrafts, run by Lane in that period or modified by Lane's company in that period. They are the BT14, the TechCraft-Buick, the TechCraft-BRM, a BT30X and a BT21C. We have been able to trace all five of those cars to the present day, so yours is not one of them.

Has Mike Gatt told you where he bought the car? I'd suggest you work backwards from Gatt until you find out its origins.

Allen

[Ted Walker]

Please re read post 440

[allenbrown]

Patrice, the HSCC papers should be with the car and they describe it fully, including the two owners immediately before Gatt. I suggest you read those.

[patrice royet]

Hello

The owner of the car lost papers
Would have you luckily to find Mike Gatt's address and phone number(coordinates)
Thank you for your help(assistant)

[olliecrosthwaite]

I,m looking for any information on BT21-6. When my farther bought it, it was beleved to be the ex Bev Bond car.

[Chris Townsend]

Originally Posted by olliecrosthwaite

I,m looking for any information on BT21-6. When my farther bought it, it was beleved to be the ex Bev Bond car.

Sorry but not the Bond car, chassis number on that was observed in 1968 with a different number. [That car was one of two used by Harry Stiller in 1967 - the other being chassis 12]
Who is your dad, when did he buy the car, and who from?
This may help us sort history

Chris

[olliecrosthwaite]

My farther is Dick Crosthwaite.
He bought the car from Peter Bloore in about 1975
The car is definitely bt21-6 I have just been looking at the chassis plate.
The car was not very old when we bought it. So would be surprised if the history was mixed up back then.
From my little research Bev Bond drove a few different BT21s

[les wright]

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

I see from hill climb programmes in 1973 (Peter Boshier-Jones) and 1974 (Nigel Pow) that it was entered as BT21/23C, although I recorded it as BT21C-17.

This is a minor point (from post 41) that came to light while searching for info on other BT21s.

The car is BT21C-17 however the rear of the car was changed in the factory to BT23 specs under the supervision of Ron Tauranac to accommadate the V8 3.5 Buick engine,hence the car is know as BT21/23C-17

[Bob Lima]

Looking for documentation and or pictures for Brabham BT21A-4 Chassis #AM228 also
has the letters GR stamped on the same rear plate as the chassis #.
With the help of Kurt Engelman, Dave Irwin, Fred Opert and Dr. Lou Sell it appears the
ownership history is complete.
Origianal owner-Dr Lou Sell
2nd- Dick Smothers
3rd- John Sorbello
4th- John Kauffman
5th- Joe Maria
Current- Bob Lima
Any information and or photos to further verify the cars history would be appreciated.

Thanks
Bob Lima