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I'm sure the engine management boffins could make it slowly drift into play over say 15 - 20 seconds, not just a snap, bang; 75KPH ? This could even be preceded by 5 - 7 seconds of on-dash flashy yellow light, as a pre-warning, then the go-slow starts to kick in. People cleverer that me will be able to make it work, I'm just an ideas man! I have 1000's, and people have told me that sometimes, one of them actually makes sense ! |
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jmo...sorry to interrupt while you good fellas are talking. This would be a good thread for the marshals forum as it's the usual suspects posting in here. CYA |
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26 Nov 2009, 23:38 (Ref:2589951) | #329 | |||
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thought just popped into my head, Lowndes rollover at Calder. Drivers running across a "live" track to help their colleague. should they have waited for the SC to be deployed? |
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26 Nov 2009, 23:54 (Ref:2589957) | #330 | ||
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Also think back to a very wet Phillip Island with cars aquaplaning across the start/finish line. |
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27 Nov 2009, 01:49 (Ref:2589980) | #331 | |||
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Secondly, any use of the SC under any system affects the integrity of the race, so who cares what the effects are, they are the same for everyone and you win some and lose some. I'd say that a quicker, more effective SC procedure would help the racing by having fewer laps under SC. Under the current system there is an issue with cars continuing to circulate at race pace under the SC - there is incentive for them to do so! The current system could work if there were any (enforced) penalties for not slowing sufficiently under the SC (or any yellow flag). As Stealthy said - the rules are the problem, they ask the drivers nicely to slow down... Other systems are being suggested to remove the incentive to continue at speed, which is the main objective. A 'Code 60' as implemented overseas is one way of doing it. Peckstar the "near miss" at PI is an entirely separate issue to the SC stuff-up, it only meant the closing speeds involved were slightly higher than if the train was moving. As dmcl said, the SC boards had been out for a considerable time, as well as the SC itself being on track. What were the drivers doing at full race pace over the crest in the main straight heading into the back of the train? I don't see why they shouldn't be pinged for overtaking under yellow/SC when they slid past the other cars. |
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27 Nov 2009, 02:22 (Ref:2589997) | #332 | ||
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I go back to my earlier point. A major part of the problem is the mis-use of the Safety car in situations where it's justification is marginal at best.
If drivers have it in their (thick?) heads that a safety car is an opportunity to improve their position the natural reaction is to push on. We need a system where a driver automatically assumes that if race control has called a safety car there must be a dangerous situation on the circuit and that they should slow down. Currently doesn't happen so there must be something wrong with the rules. There have been some very sensible suggestions from experienced people in this thread. How do we get the rule makers, and in particular V8SC race control to do something to bring about change? |
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27 Nov 2009, 02:47 (Ref:2590005) | #333 | |
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One thing that keeps getting mentioned here is the closure of pit lane. I know many here would know why NASCAR do this - but I am wondering if our Grandstand Spectator knows why (it appears he doesn't but I could be pleasantly surprised) - so - let's see if he can tell us WHY some are advocating the adoption of the NASCAR system of closing pit lane for 1, 2 or 3 laps when a SC is called.
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There are a number of us who have worked on the track with V8 Supercars with puit lane closed and with pit lane open, it wasn't that long ago.
Much safer with pit lane closed. |
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27 Nov 2009, 12:20 (Ref:2590099) | #335 | |||
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On the subject of fires this question was asked about 6 pages ago (I haven't logged in for two days due to being busy "at a race meeting")
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l24hW7A8lso The audio you hear is two of the marshals radio channels at the event. Last edited by PVDA; 27 Nov 2009 at 12:26. |
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27 Nov 2009, 13:10 (Ref:2590134) | #336 | ||
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Now thats how it should be done. Puts a certain 'top class' category to shame!
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27 Nov 2009, 13:17 (Ref:2590142) | #337 | |
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thought you would like that stealthy right up your alley, it was a crash and it had flames, almost as good as a reverse grid race hey.
PVDA, I like the way they red flagged it really quickly, sort of similar to what they did with the larko morris incident was that in practice or a race? |
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OK, I've had enough. This has long since left the point of the thread and we've reached an impasse. Peckstar's not going to accept an argument, reasoned or not, of why we think he's wrong, but given the amount of personal comment (in both directions, not singling anyone out here) there's nowhere left for the debate to go except downhill.
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