Very good win for Ralf Schumacher

ferrari_mark · 29 Jun 2003, 14:05 (Ref:645975)

Not only did he pas MS at the start, he out classed JPM all weekend and was carrying a lot more fuel than anyone else and managed to qualify third and run at a very good pace all race.

Good drive

Damon · 29 Jun 2003, 14:07 (Ref:645980)

Hardly a "pass" by Ralf at the start as it was simply a case of having more traction, but it was a great calculated Ralf drive.

JPM was great as well, but lost out from his slower first stint, Martin Brundel disagreed with your assessment that Ralf out classed him however ferrari_mark.

ferrari_mark · 29 Jun 2003, 14:10 (Ref:645990)

Well he was quicker all weekend. I'm not saying JPM was slow...he dropped a place at the start which held him up a bit. I'm just saying that on this occassion RS was better.

**Peter Mallett** · 29 Jun 2003, 14:10 (Ref:645992)

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Originally posted by Damon
Hardly a "pass" by Ralf at the start as it was simply a case of having more traction, but it was a great calculated Ralf drive.

JPM was great as well, but lost out from his slower first stint, Martin Brundel disagreed with your assessment that Ralf out classed him however ferrari_mark.

Come on Damon admit it. He outclassed his team mate and put one over on his brother. Why the sour grapes? He did exactly what he was supposed to do and carrying more fuel than JPM he put 18 that's EIGHTEEN seconds between them.

If it was the other way round you wouldn't stop crowing about it.

neilap · 29 Jun 2003, 14:11 (Ref:645995)

RS did what he does well. He is as fast as anyone when he is not in a fight. If he is in a fight the expect mistakes or him staying back. That said, he was faster than JPM and did well to keep the car ahead. Good job. Better job for Michelin and even better for Williams!!

Damon · 29 Jun 2003, 14:13 (Ref:645997)

Schu dropped a place at the start as well, as did everyone on the dirty side of the track. Funny that

. JPM did well to consolidate his position in the first two corners by keeping ahead of the Renaults. Ralf was quicker today though, although JPM made sure he was a talking point by reminding us fans why we follow him.

Damon · 29 Jun 2003, 14:16 (Ref:646003)

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Originally posted by Peter Mallett
Come on Damon admit it. He outclassed his team mate and put one over on his brother.

No sour grapes here Peter, to quote myself "it was a great calculated Ralf drive". He'll win all the races you give him when the person in the lead drops out. It was a thoughly deserved and well earn't victory. He was fast when he needed to be and backed off when he had to as well, great stuff. But he didn't have to pass anyone to do it.

ferrari_mark · 29 Jun 2003, 14:17 (Ref:646005)

I know he was on the dirty side. That's what I meant...that he was unlucky. But RS deserved to be on the clean side of the race track. He out qualified JPM even though he had more fuel.

Jay · 29 Jun 2003, 14:18 (Ref:646008)

Well deserved win by Ralf!

Damon · 29 Jun 2003, 14:18 (Ref:646009)

Yes, you're right ferrari_mark, I pointed that out myself.

Speeddemon555 · 29 Jun 2003, 14:21 (Ref:646014)

Rakkionen's misfortune is Ralf's gain. The BMW guys are popping champaigne in Germany while the Merc guys are in disdain over their cars being out of the race.

esorniloc · 29 Jun 2003, 14:21 (Ref:646015)

The fact that he got 4 laps on M Schu and Kimi, showed how good the qualifying lap has been.

When you think about how at sea he looked in qualifying in the first few faces, he seems to have really got that together.

Still Williams have really closed on Ferrari in the constructors championship now.

rpolinski · 29 Jun 2003, 14:22 (Ref:646019)

Ralf didn't pass Michael. The Williams launch control passed the Ferrari launch control.

f1manoz · 29 Jun 2003, 15:17 (Ref:646109)

Hand me some of that humble pie!

Superb job by Ralf. 5% lucky that Kimi dropped out but he was faster than anyone all race and beat JPM fair and square this time around.

I think some of these JPM fans needs to come to their senses. Your man was outdriven today!

(Best drive goes to Heidfeld though - 20th to 8th!

)

BootsOntheSide · 29 Jun 2003, 15:17 (Ref:646110)

I don;t really give ralf any credit for passing Michael, but he did a good job with the situation he had. All the same, that situationwas a guaranteed win by halfway through. Still, his qualifying lap was what really won him the race, and would've earnt him pole had they gone for hte same level of fuel as Kimi and Michael.

Both Williams drivers were spectacular today and it's hard to choose between them. Ralf wouldn't've tried, let alone pulled off, Montoya's overtaking move, but Montoya wasn't fast enough to be ahead of Ralf on the grid, thereby taking the race a little out of his own hands.

Only 5% lucky? You've gotta be kidding, it was total luck. Otherwise he would've just got second,a nd we'd all be more grateful to Montoya for challenging Michael into a mistake.

Damon · 29 Jun 2003, 15:20 (Ref:646116)

That's a good sumation Boots, JPM was spectacular but yes Ralf did better today. These things have to happen occasionally

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Lee Janotta · 29 Jun 2003, 15:23 (Ref:646121)

It was pretty typical for Ralf's better races. Good pace, no mistakes... Set the car up well, qualified well, got a good start and never looked back. He wouldn't have caught Kimi in a million years, though.

It's a track there Juan's weak, he just can't seem to get the rythym of the place.

f1manoz · 29 Jun 2003, 15:25 (Ref:646126)

I wouldn't call 2nd place weak Lee!

That move was sensational too. Love it when he pulls one on TGF!

R · 29 Jun 2003, 15:37 (Ref:646146)

Of course Ralf was better than JPM today. In fact, he was better yesterday too, when he outqualified him with a heavier fuel load. But outclassed??? Come on. It was 16.8 seconds in the end. A good, solid win, but he hardly outclassed his team mate. And I feel sorry for Kimi. He most probably would have won had his engine not blown.

Btw, Peter, did you see Montoya congratulating Ralf on the podium? A very sporting thing to do, don't you think?

Ralf's Girl · 29 Jun 2003, 15:38 (Ref:646147)

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Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
I don;t really give ralf any credit for passing Michael

Shock horror.

C'mon people, gloating rights for the Ralf fans today. His qualifying was good at the time, but carrying more fuel than anybody else it turned out to be even better. He was better than Montoya in the race, regardless of the fact that Montoya passed TGF - Ralf didn't need to because he was already in front of him. Yeah, he capitalised on Raikkonen's bad luck, but that's F1 - you take your chances when you get them. Credit where it's due!

Much closer in the championship now, thanks to Williams getting their act together and making that car faster.

BootsOntheSide · 29 Jun 2003, 15:43 (Ref:646153)

In qualfiying, Ralf was better, no doubt about it, by some margin. But on raceday Montoya was more impressive. That Ralf was 2nd and Montoya 5th on the first lap was purely down to the clean/dirty sides of the grid - an ageold problem that's never been resolved.

If they'd've got away thrid and fourth in grid order, Ralf would've been behind Michael, Montoay wouldn't've had to negotiate Rubens, so could've found himself in front of Ralf after the first roundof pitstops, allowing him to pass Michael for what would've been the win. Meanwhile Ralf wouuld've no doubt sat behind Michael for 60 laps, like the good little brotehr he is.

Ralf did a great drive, but, once again, he's lucky.

R · 29 Jun 2003, 15:43 (Ref:646155)

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Originally posted by Ralf's Girl
gloating rights for the Ralf fans today.

I agree. Congratulations to all Ralf fans, from a Montoya fan. Let's have a high five, like they did on the podium.

Damon · 29 Jun 2003, 15:44 (Ref:646157)

Absolutely right, credit where it's due, but even you're not going to chalk that down as an example of a Ralf overtaking move are you RG?

R · 29 Jun 2003, 15:50 (Ref:646164)

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Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
But on raceday Montoya was more impressive.

Err, no he wasn't.

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Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
That Ralf was 2nd and Montoya 5th on the first lap was purely down to the clean/dirty sides of the grid

Which was down to Ralf outqualifying Montoya in the first place!

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Originally posted by BootsOntheSide
If they'd've got away thrid and fourth in grid order, Ralf would've been behind Michael, Montoay wouldn't've had to negotiate Rubens, so could've found himself in front of Ralf after the first roundof pitstops, allowing him to pass Michael for what would've been the win. Meanwhile Ralf wouuld've no doubt sat behind Michael for 60 laps, like the good little brotehr he is.

I hope you are joking here. That's more "could've" and "would've" than we Montoya fans have ever been accused for, even by the most ardent Ralf fans!

Ralf's Girl · 29 Jun 2003, 15:54 (Ref:646171)

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Originally posted by Damon
Absolutely right, credit where it's due, but even you're not going to chalk that down as an example of a Ralf overtaking move are you RG?

I think it was an example of Ralf doing what he had to do and getting past TGF with a minimum of fuss. If you're out at the front to begin with then you don't need to stress about overtaking moves, you just drive your race. But given that last time Ralf tried to pass Michael at the start of the European GP he was almost barged into the pitwall he did well not to be more conservative.

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