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Some contributors to this thread seem to have trouble distinguishing between circuit type road racing such as F1, Indy,V8's,Nascar,F3,FF,BTCC & at a pinch I could possibly include bike racing, & the other types of racing being hill climb,rallying,drag racing that are not. All due respect is paid to ANY Females that have won races and events in this type of racing but NON have ever won a road racing championship, the question is WHY? |
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rather than her on track success, or lack of it. You seem to have argued against your own point, by your last paragraph. |
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She posed for those pics, to promote herself, and good luck to her for doing so. It achieved its purpose. My point was that she, due to her shameless self promotion, gets more value out of stuff like this, than she does by her race results. She is an attractive girl, and if she can further her career by doing this type of thing and it works, why not. She has an advantage in that area, and she is using it. |
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lots of men find motorsport boring, you do understand that too, don't you? or we'd have 30 million men watching f1 coverage in the uk, or a million people at the british touring cars every other weekend. the percentage of women who find motorsport boring is higher, but yet again, you're underestimating the number who actually really enjoy it. Quote:
it's actually a result of gender stereotyping from a very very early age that women aren't into engineering, physics isn't something little girls in dresses should be doing. as those stereotypes are becoming less and less important, boys and girls are doing what they enjoy and what they're good at rather than what they're 'supposed' to do. as society evolves, and stereotyping from birth becomes less common then you'll see more and more girls doing things like motorsport. it's not something you can fix straight away, but we're getting a lot closer than you think. once parents stop being horrified that their pretty little girl wants to be a pretty little girl who builds and fixes broken things they'll get over it. it's pretty easy to retain your female identity and be interested in hobbies and pasttimes that are seen by society as masculine. the danger is that then you're stereotyped as a 'tomboy', and expected to dress and act like a man. we can't win sometimes |
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I think she is actually better known for her Maxim pics from 2003. I'll just say there is more to the danica story than meets the eye. As I have said before she is merely a sports personality, less so a driver. |
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Bella, no amount of common sense or logic is going anywhere here ... from what I can glean, one of the posters got whooped by a girl in a motor race and a few others ... well, I'd say their mothers didnt love them and they have some serious issues.
Dasher (who started it) has used the argument that no woman has won a "major" championship ... totally ignoring all the data about women winning races and minor championships and rallies and many being competitive at very high levels despite the lack of FUNDING. But it wouldnt be an interesting thread if we named all the top class drivers who had the right cars and funding and couldnt do it either. So my argument is that they are as good as Stirling Moss - he won some good races but couldnt win a championship either! |
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She polarises opinion - but is VERY successful at marketting herself. Yes she is using sex to sell. What is a little weird about that is that from the timing of the adoption of this strategy, her hubby is responsible (wasn't he her marketting man before they tied the knot?) However, what people miss is that the target for this strategy is actually 9 -14yr old girls and you get all the guys for free. Leanne Tander is a perfectly lovely person but seriously underachieved when she can to play in NZ. For all its faults the local TRS car requires raw ability. You can't engineer an advantage. That Christine Orr (who is lazy and decidedly average) outperformed her was embarrassing. When Leanne came to play she bought her F3 engineer and together they learned that TRS isn't F3 and NZ isn't Aussie. Could a woman win in circuit racing? Yes but... Driving can be taught. Desire cannot. Often women are given opportunities BECAUSE they are a woman - a guy of the same ability wouldn't get a look in. As such they don't have to work as hard, try as hard. I sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be easier to teach a successful sportwoman from another disipline - one who has learnt to work and win (equestrian, netball). Those who arrive through traditional channels are a bit lazy. |
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Once again i find you are all arguing in circles and none of you know what you are even arguing anymore.
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Bottom line, as far as championship winners go, all the girls have to hang their hats on, is some German sheila who won the Dakar 11 years ago, and a chick who is more famous for getting her gear off, than her driving capabilities, which at best are pretty average. She won a race which apparently was gifted to her. @ bella, I couldn't give a rats. As I said in my most, good luck to both of them. It's a career move. Generally, your ability usually gets you up the ladder. However, some times if you are not good enough, you have to resort to other things to promote yourself over the next guy. As Mountainstar said, her career is a sports personality, then a race driver. I haven't followed her career too closely, but you can put your house on the fact that she will end up in the media doing more commentary. She'd make a great pit lane chick reporter. |
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I think we all agree with the bottom line, we also would agree that we most likely wont see a female champion this year, as really there are not any racing at the top level, except for in indycar, and they are not in the top teams
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I think I know why you are so anti-Patrick now ... Danica was the leading USA driver in both 2008-9 IRL series. So if she is crap, what does that say about the standard of American drivers? Do we need a new thread - why can't American drivers win a "major" championship?
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I was never a danica fan and I'm not a fan of the irl either. You should probably drag in "danicafan" as he is her biggest fan and paints rooms in his house her sponsor colors and has life size cardboard cutouts of her, according to pics posted on this forum. I'm sure he could do a better job of discussing her fine points and abilities as I'm not that interested. I personally don't put a lot of thought into danica or anything about her, but I didn't like her years before most people had even heard of her and it had to do with stuff not seen in the public realm. You should probably be aware that in order for her to do well the irl for years had rulings that didn't weigh the car with driver(some drivers had a weight differential of 80 pounds from her which makes a big difference in an open wheel car) and also gave her a steering rack change that amounted to "power steering" to enable her to actually be able to steer the car. |
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However, I would consider a National Formula Ford Title as a "major" championship and you may want to google the result of the 1976 South African championship ... |
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That article,http://www.nolamotor.com/images/Des-Wilson-Octane.pdf , about Desiree Wilson is interesting because their is a video floating around on YouTube with her driving the Jody Scheckter "Wolf" chassis somewhere in England in the pouring rain (go figure). She looked as if she could have made the grade, actually raced in F1,Indy,Le Mans among others. |
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