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Old 30 Apr 2008, 20:00 (Ref:2191315)   #46
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Moss did drive a Cooper-Borgward in 1959, a '57 or maybe '58 car (or maybe both) for the Walker team and also a '59 Cooper-Borgward for BRP in South Africa at the start of 1960. The Walker '57 could have been the Argentina winning car ... maybe.

Mike Eyre had a Cooper-Buick on the circuits and I know there were one or two Cooper-Buicks in sprints and hillclimbs. I don't recall Dick Soames having one - do you remember what year you would have bought it from him?

Was Bob Walton the friend you mention? He ran a Lotus24-Ford V8 in 1966.
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Old 30 Apr 2008, 22:07 (Ref:2191395)   #47
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Hi Allen,

You are correct about the engines. In Argentina they ran the same car in both F1 & F2 races swopping the engines over.
My Mate Bob Walton bought his Lotus 24 in 65/66 and slotted the Ford V8 into it. He worked in the Rootes Experimental Dept so had access to Ford V8's. He needed it as at his first outing it threw a rod. I think Bob sold his Lotus to Peter Hawtin. Bob then bought the prototype Sunbeam Tiger LHD. converted it to RHD. We took this car with us to SA. I lost contact with Bob as he went onto J'burg. I believe he destroyed the engine as it ran out of oil ie; Castrol 'R' and he topped up with a mineral oil.
Dick Soames, all I can remember, is I think he lived around Solihull. I do remember that the door to his garage had a sign 'Pits' on it.
V8's were hard to come by in those days and I wanted a Chev. So I went to Brandon Speedway to see the stock car racing and met up with the reigning UK champ Joe Pratt. He ran a chev engined car with a Rolls-Royce Radiator on it. Joe was great invited me to his home and I bartered him a set of disc brakes for his wife's new Triumph Herald for an engine from a Bel-Air. My gearbox I bought in bits in a tea chest. After scratching my head for a couple of weeks I took it to Jack Knight to sort out. At the time I was a mechanic in the Standard_Triumph Comps dept. and I took Roy Fidlers rally car down to pick it up and got reported by some old coot of a judge for out braking him into a right hander. A sevre reprimand from Boss Ray Henderson. Despite all predictions of trouble with the ERSA it never missed a beat. I did run both engine and gearbox on Castrol 'R. Also my engine was bog standard so it was never under to much stress. I got the guys at Lockheed to build me a 10" twin plate clutch. The radiator came from a Triumph 2000. It was adequet, the problem with cooling was the Chev water pump, not man enough for the job. John, Chris Summers Mechanic fitted a marine Jabsco pump that worked well. I stuck with the Chev pump as no funds for anything else, also the Jabsco took abit of shoe horning into chassis and I just wanted to go racing.
Its been a good exercise writting all this down as it has triggered the memory. I do not talk much about the old Formula Libre days down here in NZ as nobody is really interested, so the memories fade.
If I can be of any further assistance, and keep the thread going, I will be only to happy to do so.
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Old 6 May 2008, 13:00 (Ref:2195149)   #48
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It would have been helpful if reports in the 1960s had been more specific!
The Dick Soames car is supposed to have been the ex-Jackie Epstein and Mike Eyre T43-Buick, which in turn was reputedly ex-Geoff Richardson with Alta engine. Except that the so-called Richardson Cooper-Connaught was supposed to have been a T51, and went to South Africa in 1961. So maybe the link between Richardson and the Epstein-Eyre team should be ignored...
The car owned by Jeremy Keegan (Rupert's brother) also raced as a T51 when it appeared in historic events in the 1990s, which would make it too new to have done much racing in Argentina in 1958. It has been campaigned more recently by Adrian van der Kroft
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Old 6 May 2008, 22:01 (Ref:2195508)   #49
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I thought there were two Richardson Cooper-Altas, firstly the ex-Walker car built for the BRM engine early 1959 that appeared with Richardson and Alta at the 1959 Gold Cup meeting and later went to South Africa and, secondly, a car that was more T43-ish and was raced in 1960 and 1961. Or were these the same car?

The car that came back from SA was identified by the Walker mods (according to Doug's Cooper Cars) but I don't know if it's been proven that it was an Alta car in between. So could the 1960/61 "Cooper-Connaught" be the Epstein car?

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Old 6 May 2008, 23:05 (Ref:2195560)   #50
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I've never thought it likely that Richardson would race a T51 one year, then a T43 later, though not impossible I suppose.
I'm pretty sure the Eyre/Soames/Faulkner/Keegan car was (is) a T43.
In summary, what we seem to have is (i) an ex-Walker car, though not the Argentine winner, going to E/S/F/K, and (ii) another ex-Walker car, the one-time BRM, going to South Africa (and back for Peter Hannen)
What I don't know is whether either or both were with Richardson in between
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Old 28 Feb 2011, 15:13 (Ref:2837979)   #51
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That Bob Walton

I know it's an old thread, but having got it from a google search I thought I'd add a bit more to the Bob Walton story.

I met Bob in 1961 when we shared a room at the YMCA (yes the YMCA - it was cheap and most of the guys were car fanatics). As Morley said, Bob was working in the Rootes Comps dept. I was working at Standard Triumph in experimental. After about a year Bob and I got fed up with the YMCA and we moved into a flat, got evicted (too noisy a party); followed by digs and then another flat.

During that time we had many vehicles. Bob's first racer was a Lotus 7; '649' cam and 'red' crank. He blew the engine and fitted a Sunbeam Rapier engine. That was quick. When he got his ex-works Tiger it was an old MK1 alpine shape; big fins and all. He re-shelled it wth a MK2 shell. I well remember the black marks on the road outside the flat where Bob used to 'take-off'. Once he had to go down to Lola (something about bits for the works Tigers) where he spotted a Holley 4 barrel carb in the waste bin. They gave it to him and we fitted it to the Tiger, not for long, it was like flushing a toilet when you pressed the throttle.

Amongst others I had an ex-works Faithorpe Electron Minor, it was pretty well clapped-out. I reckoned it was the pressure from underneath the pistons rather than on top that kept the thing going. I sold that to Mick Moores in the Triumph Comps department.

It was about this time, 1966ish, that BMC and Sir Donald Stokes were making themselves felt and the racing/rallying programme was cutback, so I left the area for another job and haven't seen Bob since. I heard he'd gone to SA so you've added a bit more Morley, thanks.
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Old 1 Mar 2011, 10:17 (Ref:2838352)   #52
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Old 29 Dec 2011, 05:38 (Ref:3005040)   #53
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Hi Maurice,
I have made contact with Bob Walton at long last. He now lives in Perth Australia. We have swapped emails and hope to get together in the not too distant future.
Bob's infamous flat was 33, Avon St. The LHD Tiger he bought off Rootes was the original prototype from USA. He converted it to RHD and we took it with us to South Africa.

I worked with Mickey Moore in Experimental and then Comps dept from 1963 to 1967.

Still keep regular contact with Paul Richardson (Ken's son) and Uk Peter Clark in Uk.

Email me if you have time,

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Old 11 Apr 2020, 04:20 (Ref:3969947)   #54
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If there is something good about Coronavirus.......

...it is that for me I can sit quietly in my office dooderling away on the keyboard finding motorsport sites like 10Tenths and better still seeing my name in print written by mates I have not seen for over 50 years, Morley and Maurice Hi glad to see you are still with us, how did we survived those days back in the ,60's. I read on line that both Chris Summers and Peter Hawtin were killed racing their V8 beasts, I tried hard to, but his nibs upstairs was looking down on me! I look longingly at the only photo I have of my old Lotus 24-Ford 289 V8 sitting on the grid at Oulton Park, great days and good to be around to remember them.
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Old 11 Apr 2020, 12:52 (Ref:3970033)   #55
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Just come across this - what a great thread.
Brings back many happy memories from my youth spent at Harewood hillclimbs. There were quite a few V8 engined single seaters around in those days and I knew Geoff Gartside who lived just outside Knaresborough. I think he had a Daimler V8 engined Cooper.
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Old 14 Apr 2020, 12:47 (Ref:3970737)   #56
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I knew Geoff Gartside well, having competed against him many times more recently in Cooper 500s
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...it is that for me I can sit quietly in my office dooderling away on the keyboard finding motorsport sites like 10Tenths and better still seeing my name in print written by mates I have not seen for over 50 years, Morley and Maurice Hi glad to see you are still with us, how did we survived those days back in the ,60's. I read on line that both Chris Summers and Peter Hawtin were killed racing their V8 beasts, I tried hard to, but his nibs upstairs was looking down on me! I look longingly at the only photo I have of my old Lotus 24-Ford 289 V8 sitting on the grid at Oulton Park, great days and good to be around to remember them.
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Bob

I'm a rookie aswell. I heard that you sold your Lotus 24 to Peter Hawtin, who's background I'm researching.

I know he passed away in 1971 and your sale was before that but can you remember where he was living at the time?

I'm trying to trace his family, he had a sister and know of a nephew called James Smith. Peter had an interesting background.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 31 May 2020, 06:16 (Ref:3979384)   #58
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Hello Islander, I did know Peter Hawtin reasonably well, I do remember him having a Fraser-Nash Fixed Head Coupe a rare beast indeed, I think less than 10 made. He was mates with Reg Hargrave who was a close friend and work mate of mine at Rootes Experimental Dept Coventry, Reg lived in Dunchurch and Peter spent a fair bit of time at the garage nattering to us about cars, I seem to remember him living down the Fosse Way towards Burford, this being only a quick blast down a great road in the Fraser-Nash in those days!!. I sold my ex Parnell Lotus 24 V8 Ford to a fellow from Reading as I recall, he came to my flat in Coventry to have a look at it and wanted to see it running and going. No worries mate, fired it up and demonstrated its 0-60 time of approx.,4 seconds down Avon Street in a quiet residential area. On my return and peering through a cloud of Dunlop tyre smoke he already had his wallet out and the deal was done, those black tyre marks are possibly still in evidence today!! The car could well have found its way into Peter's hands at some stage I am unsure what happened to it after I sold it to the very impressed buyer from Reading. I understand Peter was involved in Youth guidance for wayward fellows, I was unaware of this perhaps he knew his limits and saw Reg and I as a lost cause. This is possibly not a lot of help with your research but brought back a few great memories. Good luck with your venture and stay safe.
Kind Regards Bob Walton Perth, Western Australia
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Hello Islander, I did know Peter Hawtin reasonably well, I do remember him having a Fraser-Nash Fixed Head Coupe a rare beast indeed, I think less than 10 made. He was mates with Reg Hargrave who was a close friend and work mate of mine at Rootes Experimental Dept Coventry, Reg lived in Dunchurch and Peter spent a fair bit of time at the garage nattering to us about cars, I seem to remember him living down the Fosse Way towards Burford, this being only a quick blast down a great road in the Fraser-Nash in those days!!. I sold my ex Parnell Lotus 24 V8 Ford to a fellow from Reading as I recall, he came to my flat in Coventry to have a look at it and wanted to see it running and going. No worries mate, fired it up and demonstrated its 0-60 time of approx.,4 seconds down Avon Street in a quiet residential area. On my return and peering through a cloud of Dunlop tyre smoke he already had his wallet out and the deal was done, those black tyre marks are possibly still in evidence today!! The car could well have found its way into Peter's hands at some stage I am unsure what happened to it after I sold it to the very impressed buyer from Reading. I understand Peter was involved in Youth guidance for wayward fellows, I was unaware of this perhaps he knew his limits and saw Reg and I as a lost cause. This is possibly not a lot of help with your research but brought back a few great memories. Good luck with your venture and stay safe.
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Hi Bob I've gained so much info about Peter Hawtin in recent months, still trying to reach his remaining family to complete the story of this intriguing driver. You said he lived in Fosse Way but any info about immediate family: brothers, sister, parents names? His parents lived in Ruislip where he was born. I've been given C initial for father and possibly Sheila for the mother. Whose garage were you referring to where the chatting took place and what year was this? Any clues you can remember?

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