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17 Nov 2009, 10:41 (Ref:2583429) | #51 | ||
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We'd be better off having Kristen Stewart write her version of the ACO's rules on her hand with an ink pen then what we're getting from the ACO.
No manufacture has made any offical announcement about 2010, let alone 2011-even Peugeot, who'll probably do little if any work to the 908 for next year, isn't 100% sure of their program. As Mike said, especally for IMSA, the season starts in mid-March and runs until October, not for one day in mid-June. So I guess that KStew may as well wash off her "Bella tattoo" she showed to Conan O'Brien, and make up stupid, hair-brained rules, because even with that, that's better than what the ACO is doing-a governing body not prepared to do any governing. |
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28 Nov 2009, 14:37 (Ref:2590793) | #52 | ||
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The ACO published some LMS related regs-Endorsing the idea that LMP1 is for factory teams and that LMP2 driving teams should have at least one gentleman driver if possible, and the car numbering coloring system.
But STILL no technical regulations-Sebring is in March, and IMSA's already moved the test day from January to Febuary in part because of this delay. Maybe IMSA should end their relationship with the ACO and make up their own rules, the latter already basically in the process of happening. |
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28 Nov 2009, 15:53 (Ref:2590821) | #53 | ||
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The LMS published revisions to the LMS Sporting Regulations.
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28 Nov 2009, 16:18 (Ref:2590827) | #54 | ||
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And that's the only thing that the ACO(who sanction the LMS) have put out.
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28 Nov 2009, 21:23 (Ref:2590950) | #56 | ||
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29 Nov 2009, 18:22 (Ref:2591308) | #57 | ||
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And if I remember correctly, the ACO and FIA allowed IMSA GTP cars to race at Le Mans in their own class in the '80s, just like how IMSA allowed Jaguar XJR-9s and -12s to run in the states.
And to expand on my last post, why give out drivel regs over minor crap on the LMS without giving the much more important technical regs-LMS season starts a couple weeks after Sebring, not after mid-June! |
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8 Dec 2009, 00:25 (Ref:2595843) | #59 | ||
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Surprisingly only additions to KERS regs, and some parts have been removed:
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If this is the case, the ACO has declared rules stability for cars homolgated in 2009(aside from confirmed air restrictor changes), at least if they issued waiver requests to the ACO(the ACO stated that they wouldn't enforce their proposed rear fender regs to increase drag/reduce the chances of debris being fired from the rear wheels if teams offered up waivers when the rules package was ratified). And this can only help IMSA, so they can finally try and work out LMP1/2 rules equivlancy for their 2010 rules package(which for LMP1 hopefully won't deviate too far from ACO regs). |
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Seems the AMR will be allowed to run their direct injection engines next year.
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The following was added to 13.5 - Rims:
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Seems to discourage them-it would seem that any performance gains would be minimal, and besides, wouldn't they just cook the brakes in an enduro(these races aren't hour in a half or two hour GPs!).
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I read Speed TV's press release, and guess what? It's a case of good news/bad news. Good News-IMSA can now make up their rules package for 2010.
Bad News-it's pretty much the same stupid, vapid, money wasting rules that were planned all along(covers over the rear of the bodywork, louvre-gate, etc). Why would the ACO come up with rules that just apply for one year, and namely on Audi and Peugeot, whose cars will likely be retired after 2010, anyways? A better bet was to just stick with the 2009 rules, aside from air restrictor changes, and work on 2011. And if the ACO is so concerned about slowing the cars, why not do like in '03, and take 10% air restictor from everyone, and take performance balancing from there. Instead, the ACO introduces stupid bodywork rules while they give the gasoline LMP1s-namely the Aston Martins-5% more restictor openings-they're giving what probably has the most poweriful engine on the grid more power, and they've come up with daft aero rules to cover that up. At LM, engine power is the best way to take down speeds, or has the ACO forgotten that? I hope that IMSA doesn't adopt any of these regs until the ACO gets their head on straight for 2011. |
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Thanks to the SpeedTV article, I noticed that the waivers for 2010 are listed in annex III of http://www.lemans.org/files/reglemen...ortif_2010.pdf
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2 new items in the sporting regulations.
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"the drivers have never competed with the official team AUDI" .
What is that supposed to mean . Is that a google translation or reads as it says ? |
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My memory is a little fuzzy but I got a good look at the wheel and tire (unmounted) on the Penske RS Spyders at Petit '08. In qualifying they used "aero" wheels. If I remember correctly they were wheels and not wheel covers. They subsequently did not use them in the race.
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So Peugeot and Audi (if they race) will change their cars. (no waiver)
I think David Richards's lobbying will have paid off. They're still waiting to see whether they'll race in F1 but LM looks like an opportunity they can't miss. It most probably pays for itself. On the bright side, the Aston will be in contention for the win and still a crowd favourite... but the petrol privateers will once again have been screwed big time! (oh and they might not want to race before LM if they have an insane power advantage, so they don't get adjusted) |
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Sorry for the double post, but I did a little digging. I knew I had read more about it somewhere. From Mulsanne's Corner RS Spyder section:
Penske ran these low drag wheels in practice and qualifying for Petit '08. It was our understanding that these were similar, if not identical, to the wheels Porsche presented to the ACO at Le Mans and that were subsequently rejected. The big question then became, so what made them legal this weekend? Sources indicated the bone of contention may have simply been the method of attachment for the flange, thus leading one to believe that the ACO were presented with nut and bolt attached wheel flanges making the wheels two-piece. But interestingly the regulations only recommend one-piece wheels. Ultimately it appears that the flange is welded on thus circumventing any ACO ire. Further digging revealed that indeed these wheels were similar but that the flange as presented to the ACO at Le Mans was made of carbon and cold bonded to the wheels. So that would seem to confirm what we heard about the Le Mans wheel presentation, that the main issue the ACO had with the wheels was the method of attachment of the flange. It is our understanding that Penske did not race the wheels due to concerns over brake cooling across a race stint further compounded across 1000 miles of racing. And the page where it originated: http://www.mulsannescorner.com/PorscheRSSpyder-3.html Looks like the ACO was just trying to define the regulation better? Also, by specifying the bumps aren't they ensuring there is no aero advantage to running them? |
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So , how can it then be entered as a Honda across the pond unless its re-homologated again ? I appreciate the relationship between Honda & Acura ., so maybe some sort of a waiver because its basically the same company ? Last edited by The Badger; 8 Dec 2009 at 16:23. |
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