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Old 29 Jul 2014, 17:48 (Ref:3439794)   #706
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Standing restarts gone next year. Yipeeeeee.

Now how about getting rid of double points?

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Old 30 Jul 2014, 03:49 (Ref:3439968)   #707
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Old 30 Jul 2014, 09:06 (Ref:3440074)   #708
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Mexico might be a double points final next year according to the president of the Mexican FIA vice president.

Why do we have to have this double points madness it is a stupid mad idea.

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Old 30 Jul 2014, 21:23 (Ref:3440223)   #709
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I would not normally agree with what is said on pitpass but on this occasion that are commenting on Bernie's ideas on rule changes and I agree with them 100%.

http://www.pitpass.com/52210/What-was-that-Bernie
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Old 30 Jul 2014, 23:40 (Ref:3440253)   #710
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I share your skepticism that any team would so completely dominate.
Despite what Mercedes have done with only the location of the turbo to work with?

No good would come of completely open regulations.

At the end of the day F1 is a sport and a sporting contest is what people wish to see, the technicalities are only an interesting distraction; Casey Stoner on the Ducati, now that was genius on something different.

Most of the F1 technical regs and certainly the tweeks are secret and unavailable to anyone except the team running them, so how can they be relevant to the sport?
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Old 31 Jul 2014, 00:11 (Ref:3440259)   #711
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Despite what Mercedes have done with only the location of the turbo to work with?

No good would come of completely open regulations.

At the end of the day F1 is a sport and a sporting contest is what people wish to see, the technicalities are only an interesting distraction; Casey Stoner on the Ducati, now that was genius on something different.

Most of the F1 technical regs and certainly the tweeks are secret and unavailable to anyone except the team running them, so how can they be relevant to the sport?
We HAD (comparatively) open regulations. In the 1960's they regulated engine displacement. Now, you could regulate fuel consumption because now we have the technology to. Those are really quite similar. Back then they regulated minimum weight to try to keep Colin Chapman from making the car out of tissue paper, now we have crash testing.

But now, here:
http://www.fia.com/sites/default/fil...14-01-23_0.pdf
we have a whole raft of rules that didn't exist in the 1960's and 1970's. But back then, as Pingguest has pointed out, we didn't have utter domination by one team. Now, they decide to leave one area open, and different teams take different approaches and one approach ends up being better, allowing domination. There is thinking that nowdays, with computer analysis, if you open the rules wide up, everybody still produces the same car, yet we keep getting these examples where one little area is left open or ambiguous, and one team differentiates themselves from the others even though, supposedly, they were all working on the same design problem.

If you open most areas to innovation, that grows exponentially, nobody can simulate themselves to victory, and more importantly, every team has their own strengths and weaknesses, they exploit their strengths, and you end up with a lot of cars that have different performance envelopes and real racing returns.

Oh, and because the predictable ROI for additional investment goes away, the Ferrari BOD doesn't approve such large budgets and spending actually goes down.

A LOT of good would come of more (I would never say completely) open regulations.
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Old 31 Jul 2014, 11:35 (Ref:3440377)   #712
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Maitanut, previously you said a fuel consumption limit in stead of fuel-flow limit would allow more technical freedom. Could you elaborate that?
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Old 31 Jul 2014, 18:41 (Ref:3440515)   #713
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Maitanut, previously you said a fuel consumption limit in stead of fuel-flow limit would allow more technical freedom. Could you elaborate that?
I am completely indifferent on that subject. We have fuel flow meters now, and there is no reason it couldn't stay that way. It would prevent the complaints about "economy runs." To me, they both accomplish the same thing. If the cars get too fast for safety, you can cut back their fuel. With a flow limit, as you pointed out, there would be more control over top speed, although depending on how a team wanted to use energy stored from regenerative braking or other energy recovery strategies, it may not be effective that way.
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I am completely indifferent on that subject. We have fuel flow meters now, and there is no reason it couldn't stay that way. It would prevent the complaints about "economy runs." To me, they both accomplish the same thing. If the cars get too fast for safety, you can cut back their fuel. With a flow limit, as you pointed out, there would be more control over top speed, although depending on how a team wanted to use energy stored from regenerative braking or other energy recovery strategies, it may not be effective that way.
As soon as you cut back on fuel and therefore power all your aerodynamic parameters and assumptions change!
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As soon as you cut back on fuel and therefore power all your aerodynamic parameters and assumptions change!
Yes!

And based on ACO's challenges predicting diesel performance a year out, it's possible they would need to change it during a season. Because the engineers were more clever than expected so the cars were too fast, or maybe because the cars didn't turn out as fast as anticipated and the fans are complaining about lap times.

Changes between years would be healthy. It sort of shakes up the box and increases the chance a different team would be the best the following year. Changes during the season could be disruptive.
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Standing restarts gone next year. Yipeeeeee.

Now how about getting rid of double points?

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How about getting rid of DRS as well?
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How about getting rid of DRS as well?
No matter how you look at it BJ, DRS has improved F1.

The races were just finish in qualifying order parades.
Two words Alonso, Petrov.

Get rid of the aero and you can get rid of the DRS, until then it would be a bad mistake to dump DRS. It has made the racing much much better, the races were just parades prior to the introduction of DRS.
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No matter how you look at it BJ, DRS has improved F1.

The races were just finish in qualifying order parades.
Two words Alonso, Petrov.

Get rid of the aero and you can get rid of the DRS, until then it would be a bad mistake to dump DRS. It has made the racing much much better, the races were just parades prior to the introduction of DRS.
I don't think it's improved it at all wnut, it's so artificial. The thing I liked about the Hungarian GP and this is something other posters have commented on, was the shortened DRS zones and it made for a good race.

Anywy, I thought moveable aerodynamic devices were banned in F1, so why is DRS allowed?
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Anywy, I thought moveable aerodynamic devices were banned in F1, so why is DRS allowed?
Because the cars are all clones?

I know I'm a broken record, but the truth is if they opened up the technical rules, the teams would go different ways on some stuff, and the cars would have different performance envelopes. So, even if they had virtually the same lap time at most places, they would make that lap time different ways and real racing would result.
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