GRRC 72nd Members Meeting

[McMuttley]

Originally Posted by zefarelly

you were lucky to finish the first lap!!! looks like you got chopped a few times by the white car . . . . there's some serious variation in driving styles there!

Watching from the sidelines I was surprised to see how 'aggressive' a lot of the driving was in the majority of races.

Maybe I have softened up a little since my 'lay-off'' ?.. but there was very little of "your'e alongside chap, your corner" in evidence.

It was after all, no more than a (private) club meeting.

[McMuttley]

Originally Posted by retrognome

Sadly I was not on the invited list.

Channel 4 were there recording, which may explain why they kept others away ?

[gary396]

A few of Rudolf Ernst in the Brabham Trophy. First one in qualifying, second on the formation lap, the rest in the race.:

[Marcus Mussa]

Originally Posted by McMuttley

Watching from the sidelines I was surprised to see how 'aggressive' a lot of the driving was in the majority of races.

Maybe I have softened up a little since my 'lay-off'' ?.. but there was very little of "your'e alongside chap, your corner" in evidence.

It was after all, no more than a (private) club meeting.

I certainly think that at the Chicane it is bad manners to barge into a queue of cars lining up to take it, like some people seem to do!

[Peter Mallett]

Hotels for next year are already being booked up!

[FISCracer]

Originally Posted by gary396

A few from the Surtees Trophy of Marcus Mussa (including taking the flag) and a couple of Richard Evans (FISCracer I think?).

Thanks very much Gary, yes it is me. They're the best on track pictures I have. As it was my first race in the beast I would be very grateful if anyone else has any action pics

[FISCracer]

Originally Posted by Broadclystboy

Richard - a follow up to my YouTube comments. I really enjoyed your drive, and your YouTube Goodwood videos. I has hoped to talk to you first thing Sunday morning - your car was in the paddock but you seemed not to have put your alarm clock an hour forward...

Can you advise the best source of Attila history? I saw Roy Pierpoint wrestling the Mk3 Ford around the Crystal Palace in 2 races in 1964 and Tony Lanfranchi the Mk3 Chevvy in 1965 - alas no races completed. Also Julian Sutton in the Mk9 Chevvy at the 1966 Guards Trophy.

Are you planning on other races this year?

regards

Sorry I missed you, we went to watch Andy Shepherd with the Tony Gaze race which was first race on Sunday.

The previous owners of my car Allan Ross-Jones and Charles Cook had extensive reseach done on both mk3/2 (mine) and Attilas in general. I was not aware that there was a Mk9, you may mean Mk7 which is a chevy engined monocoque and still exists - was sold in Belgium a couple of years ago.

I certainly want to do some more in the Attila but I am signed up for a full season with NKHTGT the Dutch FIA championship in my Marcos, so it will probably be testing somewhere a bit safer than Goodwood and the odd one or two events. Maybe Brands Masters or Spa Summer Classic.

[YoungRacer]

Awesome event, we had the mighty Sam Hancock driving our Ecurie Ecosse lister, anyone got any good pics from the salvadori cup ? I can't seem to find them anywhere, do you reckon they will launch a serious series after the Gerry Marshall cup ?

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by YoungRacer

....... do you reckon they will launch a serious series after the Gerry Marshall cup ?

We already have MRL and CER. But, I know a couple of organisers were looking at the race with a view to piggy backing off of it.

[gary396]

Originally Posted by YoungRacer

Awesome event, we had the mighty Sam Hancock driving our Ecurie Ecosse lister, anyone got any good pics from the salvadori cup ? I can't seem to find them anywhere....

Car 21 wasn't he? No particularly clear photos I'm afraid - there's a couple of distant / blurry examples from the dusk practice on Saturday and a couple of lap 1 photos with him in the 'pack' just after the start:

[andy97]

Originally Posted by McMuttley

Watching from the sidelines I was surprised to see how 'aggressive' a lot of the driving was in the majority of races.

Maybe I have softened up a little since my 'lay-off'' ?.. but there was very little of "your'e alongside chap, your corner" in evidence.

It was after all, no more than a (private) club meeting.

I think that's what happens when you invite professionals to get involved.....

I have taken this from another site, referring to a video of the Gp 1 race,

"An excuse was need to witter on about the Gerry Marshall trophy from yesterday's Goodwood Members' Meeting again. Fortunately, one has emerged in the form of this highlights reel.

Some of the editing isn't ideal, with the action switching just as you want to fully enjoy a car roaring past, but it's difficult not to smile nonetheless. At any straight the Camaros tear past everything, there are Minis screaming round on three wheels and Tiff Needell resorts to barging rivals in an attempt to pass. Great stuff".


Did Tiff Needell resort to "barging? Was the car damaged, if so, who pays? Peter may have a comment. In any case, if "barging" did occur I don't think it is "great stuff".

[Peter Mallett]

Tiff didn't resort to barging. There was a Capri that suddenly slowed dramatically going into the chicane, I watched it from the pits. Yes a bit of a ding in the front of my car but nothing to get uptight about, it will pull out and won't be noticeable. He is a very committed driver, but he also spent a lot of time encouraging me and being extremely sociable. He demonstrated that the car is quite capable of running at the front with very little development. A testament to the skills and outright effort put in by Ken Clarke and his team.

As far as driving standards are concerned I had a BMW 530 almost take the front of my car off in race one because it was going so unfeasibly fast into St Mary's. That was being driven by the owner not the VIP and I had to take avoiding action. Also whilst I am guilty of baulking Nick Swift (I really couldn't see him whilst I was overtaking another car) he was so ungracious about it I could have been forgiven for doing the opposite of apologising, which is actually what I did.

My report is here: http://mallettracing.blogspot.co.uk/. Apologies for not putting something specific here but I wanted to share it elsewhere.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by YoungRacer

do you reckon they will launch a serious series after the Gerry Marshall cup ?

Who is 'they'? As Peter says, we already have Patrick Auto, MRL and CTRCC catering for Gp1 cars. I'm sure all 3 would welcome the Goodwood cars with open arms.....

But, PA means FIA compliant car and Papers, International licence for the driver and racing in Europe. And they are at the top end of race costs. So MRL perhaps, they now race mostly in UK to escape the darn FIA licence rule, so a cheaper option. Still too expensive? Then CTRCC could tick the box. Looking at the cars at Goodwood and who they belong to, I doubt if more than a few will be seen at other races. BTW I would be delighted to be proved wrong........

[gary396]

By way of a change from all this 'modern stuff' - here's a bit of pre-war action Bugatti-style. Thankfully they all missed the spinner at Madgwick's.

[retrognome]

Originally Posted by gary396

By way of a change from all this 'modern stuff' - here's a bit of pre-war action Bugatti-style. Thankfully they all missed the spinner at Madgwick's.

Blimey Gary. Seems your a one man free picture show. I give up.

[YoungRacer]

Great photos, thanks for those Gary, I meant they as in championships, ie ones who get invited to places like silverstone classic brands masters etc, hopefully the crowds won't get too big at next years Goodwood.

I spoke to tiff after the race, I don't think I've seen anyone smile so much, got to love tiff, genuinely nice guy !!

[gary396]

Originally Posted by retrognome

Blimey Gary. Seems your a one man free picture show. I give up.

Give up? Not sure I follow you Peter?

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by YoungRacer

I meant they as in championships, ie ones who get invited to places like silverstone classic brands masters etc.

Well, Peter Auto would probably consider that they are bigger than any of those events, with Le Mans Classic, Tour Auto, Spa Classic......... MRL have run their Touring Cars with Masters at Brands and with HSCC at Oulton Park Gold Cup, and if you want to race a Gp1 car at Silverstone Classic the HSCC Super Touring Car race has in the past welcomed any Gp2 or Gp1 car that wished to join in. Edit- the draft 2014 regs suggest only Gp2 now.

Having said the above I appreciate that none are races solely for Gp1 cars. I don't think that is a viable option at he moment......

[Colin Parkinson]

BTW anyone tell me what the Mk1 Escort entered actually was? See it didn't make the races...

[/QUOTE]

Mike it was an RS2000 if you hadnt found out. Reason for not starting, broken conrod!! 'Star' driver was going to be Alec Poole.

CP

[Mike Bell]

Colin, I guessed as it was entered as 'Walkinshaw' car that it was an RS2000 but appreciate the confirmation. Yes, I saw Alec was down to drive it- conrods apparantly the weakest component in a Gp1 Pinto......

[Colin Parkinson]

Oh I thought they were homologated with steel rods

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by FISCracer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jovCDuJRcE8

Exciting Rick, well done! Did you make it stick on that white car that got s-o-o close on lap 1? You just rocket down Lavant Straight don't you? Awesome!

Do I take it this race had to be stopped?

[FISCracer]

Originally Posted by midgetman

Exciting Rick, well done! Did you make it stick on that white car that got s-o-o close on lap 1? You just rocket down Lavant Straight don't you? Awesome!

Do I take it this race had to be stopped?

Thanks Max. We had about 4/5 laps of safety car from L8-12 due to the car beached at Lavant - maybe as a result of the oil at St Marys which many of us went grass tracking from. Then it was a 4/5 lap blast to the end. Have a look at Marcus' video.

My best speed down Lavant was 147 but Jon Minshaw was pulling 165 but he has at least 700cc on me which probably means 100 ft.lbs and up to 130bhp. It was 141 on that first lap

I was consciously being circumspect as it was my first time out with the Attila. The white Lotus 30 failed to finish on lap 8 so it may have been his oil and I passed the green one at Fordwater on the last lap. 3 secs faster at the end and I would have been in front of the Crossle, the Marina Rolls and a McLaren. If....

[zefarelly]

But not Chinese ones !

Originally Posted by Colin Parkinson

Oh I thought they were homologated with steel rods

Petes incident at the Chicane is similar to what you can see in Marcus video, wildly varying lines and braking points, Goodwood is fast and a lot of people don't go there very often if at all.

MIni drivers . . .I've heard another prominent Goodwood A series racer ranting , apparently they're never wrong, at least this particular one isn't. never once in over 30 years apparently.

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by FISCracer

I was consciously being circumspect as it was my first time out with the Attila. The white Lotus 30 failed to finish on lap 8 so it may have been his oil and I passed the green one at Fordwater on the last lap. 3 secs faster at the end and I would have been in front of the Crossle, the Marina Rolls and a McLaren. If....

Someone dumped oil on your camera certainly. I kept waiting for the auto washer to clean it like in F1