Rules Alonso interview

neilap · 16 Apr 2009, 14:31 (Ref:2442281)

I've not always liked him but one thing is he usually says exactly what he thinks, that is refreshing. I agree with him about the tire situation. Vettel was blamed for the crash but in reality it was a tire issue. This weekends race will again be a gamble. I enjoy seeing the best cars win but when silly rules are added to 'spice up' the racing it can be dangerous.

Glen · 16 Apr 2009, 14:40 (Ref:2442291)

He's right. The idea of having two "more-different" tyres is alright, but they have to be safe and durable.

crmalcolm · 16 Apr 2009, 14:52 (Ref:2442298)

As long as the tyre lasts one lap, it is durable enough to be used safely.

All teams have to use the same tyres so I don't see where he is coming from?

fourWheelDrift · 16 Apr 2009, 14:56 (Ref:2442299)

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Originally Posted by Glen

He's right. The idea of having two "more-different" tyres is alright, but they have to be safe and durable.

He is right in that it is getting silly, if they must run both types of tyres they have both got to work at some basic level, but suggesting that the Vettel/Kubica crash is the fault of the tyres is nonsense. The cars will have different grip levels as tyres wear, this is normal and always has been. The best drivers in the world are paid to drive at the limit of their equipment even as it changes lap by lap and race each other as they do so, I am not assigning blame to either of them but clearly between them they made a mess of it. The tyre rules are designed to bring the cars closer together on the track, and this is what they did, once the cars are close together it is up to the drivers to race without colliding.

JamesH · 16 Apr 2009, 15:00 (Ref:2442303)

Are you saying the RK should have known SV's tyres were knacked, or that SV should have known that RK's tyres were good? How are the drivers supposed to know/remember what the other drivers have on their rims? If they are, who's fault was the crash?

Glen · 16 Apr 2009, 15:23 (Ref:2442326)

I think the point is that the speed differential can be too big for safe racing. The super soft especially is said to be virtually undrivable once worn, which might be within a handful of laps. Its just a bit too far.

fourWheelDrift · 16 Apr 2009, 15:33 (Ref:2442335)

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Originally Posted by JamesH

Are you saying the RK should have known SV's tyres were knacked, or that SV should have known that RK's tyres were good? How are the drivers supposed to know/remember what the other drivers have on their rims? If they are, who's fault was the crash?

The drivers do know the state of their own tyres and each driver is responsible for being able to stop and turn his own car whilst leaving room for the other. If they both do this they will race and not collide and this does not require them to know the state of the other guys tyres.

**Adam43** · 16 Apr 2009, 15:34 (Ref:2442336)

Jerez 1986 - too dangerous by half!

FPV GTHO · 16 Apr 2009, 15:36 (Ref:2442338)

Its abit of a joke that neither of the two tyres they brought seem to be suited. Years gone by Melbourne was always a soft tyre race, but the last 2 years the Medium's have been the choice over a stint because Bridgestone havent developed a tyre that deals with a low grip surface as well as a high temperature working range.

Peat · 16 Apr 2009, 15:40 (Ref:2442341)

I can understand his fustration, but dont see his reasoning. As has been said, everyone is in the same boat. If they were out after 10 laps, CHANGE THEM! Bring in into your race plan.

Personally, i think it adds a nice bit of spice.

fourWheelDrift · 16 Apr 2009, 15:47 (Ref:2442346)

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Its abit of a joke that neither of the two tyres they brought seem to be suited. Years gone by Melbourne was always a soft tyre race, but the last 2 years the Medium's have been the choice over a stint because Bridgestone havent developed a tyre that deals with a low grip surface as well as a high temperature working range.

I agree, I think there is too much difference and/or Bridgstone are bringing the wrong ones but then I think the whole two tyre thing could be dropped with no detriment to anything. However having less grip than the other guy does not somehow oblige you to drive into him if you can't brake for the corner you braked too late, simples. Equally if you take a line through the corner that connects with another car you could reasonably expect to have been there then you will hit it won't you. The fact that Kubica came up fast behind Vettel was because of the tyres, the collision was because between them, whether one of them was to blame or it was 50:50 they got it wrong.

**Peter Mallett** · 16 Apr 2009, 16:33 (Ref:2442368)

Get at least one other tyre maker involved, allow the teams to choose. Then they can complain to the makers rather than whinge about the rules. Easy really.

Kirk · 16 Apr 2009, 16:34 (Ref:2442369)

Perhaps we need to back track here for a moment and question why the 2 tyre rule in the first place. If one tyre compound is preferred, a team should be able to run that tyre for the entire race. I have never liked the idea of forcing a team to run more than one compound during a race and I’m pretty sure the drivers have never liked it either.

Having said that, it has forced teams to (re) think about different strategies … some teams have done better than others, and, though early in the season, has added to the drama.

Marbot · 16 Apr 2009, 16:39 (Ref:2442373)

Why don't Bridgestone just turn up with all four compounds and take it from there ?

Yes they'll be a few more trucks,but that's better than all this moaning.

Kirk · 16 Apr 2009, 16:39 (Ref:2442374)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Get at least one other tyre maker involved, allow the teams to choose. Then they can complain to the makers rather than whinge about the rules. Easy really.

Please, NO. I hated when there was too much riding on the tyre and we'd end up stating 3 different orders of finish ... one actual, and two others by their respective tyre manufacturers.

fourWheelDrift · 16 Apr 2009, 16:40 (Ref:2442375)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Get at least one other tyre maker involved, allow the teams to choose. Then they can complain to the makers rather than whinge about the rules. Easy really.

I and, I suspect, most fans would go for this in principal but the powers that be won't. Grooved tyres were introduced (when we did have a tyre war) to reduce grip levels and cornering speeds. Now the tyre performance is cooked up between Bridgestone and the FAI to control speed which is why F1 was able to return to slicks. As soon as we go back to competing tyre manufacturers cornering speeds will go through the roof again.

Marbot · 16 Apr 2009, 16:41 (Ref:2442376)

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Originally Posted by Kirk

Please, NO. I hated when there was too much riding on the tyre and we'd end up stating 3 different orders of finish ... one actual, and two others by their respective tyre manufacturers.

Agreed.This is not the FIA Formula One Tyre championship.Bridgestone should turn up with all four compounds.

**Peter Mallett** · 16 Apr 2009, 16:48 (Ref:2442383)

You miss my point. Currently its all about the FIA controlling things, which is good for them because they can say "we tell you what to do thus you can't suggest others have an advantage". Bull****.

The fact is if these were racing teams instead of manufacturers they'd be glad to have the chance to use whatever advantage they can get. Instead they can use the accounts to show how well they did based on dollar per point.

Racing or auditing?

stedevil · 16 Apr 2009, 17:07 (Ref:2442401)

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Originally Posted by JamesH

Are you saying the RK should have known SV's tyres were knacked, or that SV should have known that RK's tyres were good? How are the drivers supposed to know/remember what the other drivers have on their rims?

If you are coming up from behind 2s/lap quicker, you sure know the guy in front has a tire (or other) problem. And that even in case your radio is broken so the team cant tell you.

And re 2 tire manufacturers... please no... we dont need a repeat of USGP.

Pingguest · 16 Apr 2009, 17:31 (Ref:2442419)

This is what you get with artificially 'spicing up' the racing.

Marbot · 16 Apr 2009, 20:01 (Ref:2442520)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

This is what you get with artificially 'spicing up' the racing.

Great action ?

If we can have more of the same at somewhere like Barcelona,then I'm all for it!

neilap · 16 Apr 2009, 22:27 (Ref:2442601)

I feel it's ok to have two different tires but they should both be useful. In Australia the soft tires were useless. They were qualifying tires. If the tires are good for ten laps then I say it's ok but to be done in 5 or six laps, that's a joke. In the first race the tires had to be babied to last 13 laps. In Malaysia the tires both worked and the racing ( short though it was) was still good. If teams can capitilize on advantages then that is good. Some cars are easier on tires so they do better with the softer option. If no one likes one of the tire options and struggle to get performance from them then they are useless.

JeremySmith · 16 Apr 2009, 23:39 (Ref:2442643)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Agreed.This is not the FIA Formula One Tyre championship.Bridgestone should turn up with all four compounds.

Sorted..

Marbot · 16 Apr 2009, 23:43 (Ref:2442649)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

Sorted..

You'd think it would be that easy wouldn't you.

hgmonaro · 17 Apr 2009, 01:25 (Ref:2442673)

the soft tyres should be faster for a limited amount of time, at the moment they seem to have 1 - 2 laps advantage and then are worse. Having a tyre that can only be competitive for that amount of time makes the safety car too important to the outcome of races. The safety car shouldn't be a major aspect of race strategy, yes take advantage of it when possible but not have a situation where they plan for it. All just IMO of course

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