[VASC20R1R2] Superloop 500, Adelaide, 20Feb-23Feb

[kittle]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Holden wins.... ......more Parity required for Fords..

Doesn’t take long for these comments!!

[Maggo]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Holden wins.... ......more Parity required for Fords..

It indeed has a bad taste.
But I would say T8 wins.
But is it the car, the team, the drivers?

[djr81]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Holden wins.... ......more Parity required for Fords..

Is it a parity thing or have they just banned anyone from overtaking? I may have not been paying enough attention but was there an actual proper overtake in the top ten during the race as opposed to an undercut/overcut?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by djr81

Is it a parity thing or have they just banned anyone from overtaking? I may have not been paying enough attention but was there an actual proper overtake in the top ten during the race as opposed to an undercut/overcut?

That’s what you get in the strive for parity....

[Mark Petch]

Originally Posted by one five five

That’s what you get in the strive for parity....

Sadly you are right of course, and parity was very evident yesterday, so much so that my good friend Ulf Granberg [the 'Peter Brock' of Sweden] who was watching the race with me said, "this is boring, the Super Trucks were much more entertaining"!

So what is the answer? Surely it has to be a rev based push to pass system, with say, a maximum of 3 push to pass increase in rev's, of say, 250 rpm? That would have been enough for Reynolds to have jumped Whincup, and SVG to jump Scotty etc, coming off turn 7 if they were close enough to grab the inside running.

Just my thoughts folk's.

MP.

[tux]

Any point getting up at 4:30am to watch race 2?

[johnh875]

IMO they need to adjust tech regs to favour overtaking, haven't seen much of the race but it seems to have been a solid full green race and lots of comments it was boring.

Otherwise introduce BTCC style success ballast, the category needs action on track so people watch and it can survive.

If the SSTs didn't have their 'competition caution' would Mingay have had enough lead to win?

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by tux

Any point getting up at 4:30am to watch race 2?

Absolutely not!!!

[Tourer]

I was in Adelaide for one of the greatest touring car races ever seen - consensus all around that it was simply sensational. Would have been 2001 or 2002 I think if memory serves. Raving everywhere about how good it was.
That race was on the Saturday of the event.
We all arrived at the circuit on Sunday morning tired but primed for another awesome race and it was pretty boring really.

Point is, there are always going to be some races that are somewhat processional, not as exciting etc and others that are simply incredible. Adelaide has never been an easy place to pass other cars so I don't really understand why anyone would expect that it has suddenly changed, plus this is the first hit out for the new dampers and the new aero package, so teams / drivers are learning their way.

Today could be a rather ordinary race or a simply sensational one - but yesterday's race is no indicator of which way it'll go.

[Maggo]

Originally Posted by johnh875

IMO they need to adjust tech regs to favour overtaking, haven't seen much of the race but it seems to have been a solid full green race and lots of comments it was boring.

Otherwise introduce BTCC style success ballast, the category needs action on track so people watch and it can survive.

If the SSTs didn't have their 'competition caution' would Mingay have had enough lead to win?

I hoped they would test that at VCAT.

How driving close to another cars influences the downforce and understeer.


BTW, Red Flag, Smith in the wall

[one five five]

Originally Posted by johnh875

IMO they need to adjust tech regs to favour overtaking, haven't seen much of the race but it seems to have been a solid full green race and lots of comments it was boring.

Otherwise introduce BTCC style success ballast, the category needs action on track so people watch and it can survive.

If the SSTs didn't have their 'competition caution' would Mingay have had enough lead to win?

Definitely a big NO to success ballast

Parity has already been a big enough penalty to the marque that builds the better car, now you want the race winners of a “technical parity” formula penalised further?

[Sultan]

It was boring cause the cars were generally quite close on lap pace. The control shock have done their job to help even up the field.
Just a shame the original talk of around a 30% drop in aero didn’t happen and it was more like 10%. IMHO that would have made a difference in overtaking - less aero wash..

[one five five]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

To make space for the digital panel on the right. The panel, although a MoTeC product, has been delayed due to Chinese supply issues due to coronavirus.

I think it is rather dumb to have the number right in front of the driver, though the drivers are sitting so low that it's not in the way I guess.

The numbers have been moved to the right hand side of the windscreen

Are you saying they are going to put GT3 style digital panels on the windscreen

What is with the NASCAR style car numbers on the totem pole of the TV coverage? None of those designs are on the actual cars?

[tux]

I’m a miserable person but this is pointless, literally nothing going on. Every race is the same, follow each other for the entire race and maybe you’ll see a pass for 20th as part of pit strategy. The cars are great to watch on a qualifying lap but 90% of the races are atrocious, nothing happens.

[Maggo]

I think the race is much better than yesterdays. Not the best I've seen but not too boring. More because of a lot of different strategies not so much because of much overtaking.

PS:
Looks like SVG has not enough fuel
edit2: Skaife is close to tears because looks like no Holden will win

[Armco Bender]

Ford wins... .....parity restored..

[Driver TBA]

Bonehead stuff from SVG. Reports a broken shock after smashing the curbs. Team tells him to hold position and drive to a number. Otherwise it will break.

Then almost wipes our Waters trying to make a pass.

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[Phillip Ireland]

But didn't.

Good on him for being a racer instead of just another driver.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by tux

I’m a miserable person but this is pointless, literally nothing going on. Every race is the same, follow each other for the entire race and maybe you’ll see a pass for 20th as part of pit strategy.

When you line the cars up on the starting grid in order of fastest to slowest, what do you expect!?

All the cars are essentially the same, so there are no significant strengths or weaknesses over a race distance.

The race was a bit dull in the middle, but was OK towards the start and end in my opinion.

Over in the BTCC, the reverse grids and success ballast certainly do the trick for creating action... But then some folks complain of contrived racing. It's like organisers can't win either way!

[Driver TBA]

Originally Posted by Phillip Ireland

But didn't.

Good on him for being a racer instead of just another driver.

As Ricky Bobby said. "If you ain't first, you're last".

Could have been 3rd in the championship 3 points behind his teammate. Instead he's 13th and 1 race behind.



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[johnh875]

Originally Posted by one five five

Definitely a big NO to success ballast

Parity has already been a big enough penalty to the marque that builds the better car, now you want the race winners of a “technical parity” formula penalised further?

Success ballast is more about leveling teams or drivers. Not that I think they should do it, but it works in the BTCC.

[Johno.UK]

Originally Posted by tux

I’m a miserable person but this is pointless, literally nothing going on. Every race is the same, follow each other for the entire race and maybe you’ll see a pass for 20th as part of pit strategy. The cars are great to watch on a qualifying lap but 90% of the races are atrocious, nothing happens.

The closer the cars are in performance the more that's going to happen. The top drivers are all pretty close and most tracks only really have one line so it's whats going to happen. Without tricks like ballast and reverse grids it's the way its going to be.

[tux]

I know, i know, ill still tune in to the next race regardless but ive got to moan, its my hobby

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Johno.UK

The closer the cars are in performance the more that's going to happen. The top drivers are all pretty close and most tracks only really have one line so it's whats going to happen. Without tricks like ballast and reverse grids it's the way its going to be.

The main issue is that Adelaide is quite narrow and doesn't help that over the years they've narrowed the track even more. (Especially the back straight from turn 7 to turn 9) I think the racing will be better at the AGP circuit since it's a fair bit wider to accommodate the F1 cars.

[djr81]

Hardest job in motorsport: The poor bloke who has to find something for the Bunnings Powerpass powerplay overtakes....