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View Poll Results: Which driver combination will win the Pirtek Enduro Cup?
#2 Pye/Luff WP HOLDEN 0 0%
#3 Russell/Douglas LDM HOLDEN 0 0%
#5 Winterbottom/Canto PRA FORD 0 0%
#6 Waters/Stanaway PRA FORD 0 0%
#7 T.Kelly/Le Brocq NisMo NISSAN 0 0%
#8 Percat/Jones BJR HOLDEN 0 0%
#9 Reynolds/Youlden Erebus HOLDEN 0 0%
#12 Coulthard/D'Alberto DJRTP FORD 2 6.90%
#14 Slade/Walsh BJR HOLDEN 1 3.45%
#15 R.Kelly/Wall NisMo NISSAN 0 0%
#17 McLaughlin/Premat DJRTP FORD 7 24.14%
#18 Holdsworth/Reindler CSR HOLDEN 0 0%
#19 W.Davison/Webb Tekno HOLDEN 0 0%
#21 Blanchard/Hazelwood TBR HOLDEN 0 0%
#22 Courtney/Perkins WP HOLDEN 0 0%
#23 Caruso/Fiore NisMo NISSAN 0 0%
#33 Tander/Golding GRM HOLDEN 0 0%
#34 Moffat/Muscat GRM HOLDEN 0 0%
#55 Mostert/Owen PRA FORD 1 3.45%
#56 Bright/Jacobson PRA FORD 1 3.45%
#62 Rullo/A.Davison LDM HOLDEN 1 3.45%
#78 de Silvestro/D.Russell NisMo NISSAN 0 0%
#88 Whincup/Dumbrell 888 HOLDEN 7 24.14%
#97 van Gisbergen/Campbell 888 HOLDEN 6 20.69%
#99 Wood/Pither Erebus HOLDEN 0 0%
#888 Lowndes/Richards 888 HOLDEN 3 10.34%
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 09:23 (Ref:3753273)   #126
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Yeah, I believe it still does.

There's an EL in that livery too.
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 09:30 (Ref:3753276)   #127
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Is that metallic purple paint as per the original? It doesn't look right. Another Ellery-mobile had a more modest solid purple colour.
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 09:34 (Ref:3753277)   #128
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Yeah, the '99 livery was metalic.
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Old 21 Jul 2017, 11:07 (Ref:3753293)   #129
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Old 23 Jul 2017, 10:26 (Ref:3753721)   #130
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Two Holden Motosport-funded liveries on a Ford..
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Old 23 Jul 2017, 10:31 (Ref:3753724)   #131
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Mr Huges, although not the designer of the above artworks, is not happy. As you say, the artworks were former employer, HMS' in-house designs for PWR and PMM.
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Old 23 Jul 2017, 11:38 (Ref:3753732)   #132
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Mr Huges, although not the designer of the above artworks, is not happy. As you say, the artworks were former employer, HMS' in-house designs for PWR and PMM.
Unfortunately for Mr Hughes its not up to him, its up to the sponsor really. The majority of the retro supercheap cars are holden so not much option.
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Old 23 Jul 2017, 12:08 (Ref:3753734)   #133
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He is aware of that.
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Unfortunately for Mr Hughes its not up to him, its up to the sponsor really. The majority of the retro supercheap cars are holden so not much option.
It isn't the first time that a HMS livery has been borrowed without signoff. The Percat 'Freightliner' livery is also apparently an HMS-funded work, for LDM, that was reapplied, inverted, to the BJR car.

The sponsor owns their logos if thy have trademarked them. The IP within the colour selection and the layout of the design across the body of the vehicle arguably belongs to the designer of the artwork.

It isn't a particularly grey area, however HMS are not likely to go to court to stop a Ford team from running that livery so as not to pish off the sponsor, who sponsors the B1000, and may again become a Holden team sponsor once again.
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The sponsor owns their logos if thy have trademarked them. The IP within the colour selection and the layout of the design across the body of the vehicle arguably belongs to the designer of the artwork.
Rather depends on the sponsorship agreement and commercial agreement with the designer doesn't it? I've known sponsors have ownership of the whole design before now (not just their existing logo) so that they have ownership and control on how their brand is presented.
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Rather depends on the sponsorship agreement and commercial agreement with the designer doesn't it? I've known sponsors have ownership of the whole design before now (not just their existing logo) so that they have ownership and control on how their brand is presented.
Sure, however if the sponsor doesn't organise and pay for the design and a motor distributor does instead, IP may not have passed onto the sponsor..
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Sure, however if the sponsor doesn't organise and pay for the design and a motor distributor does instead, IP may not have passed onto the sponsor..
Unless the sponsor agreement provided for that IP to be passed on - short version, none of us know who owns what IP on car liveries unless we've seen the agreements.
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Mr Morris has now stated that the PMM-utilised livery is PMM IP, and has granted SCA the right to use it on the #55 car.
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Mr Morris has now stated that the PMM-utilised livery is PMM IP, and has granted SCA the right to use it on the #55 car.
For him especially it makes a lot of sense given his relationship with PRA.
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For him especially it makes a lot of sense given his relationship with PRA.
And SuperCheap on the PMM sprintcar and stadium super truck..
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I wonder who owned the livery IP in 1989 and 1990 when Glenn Seton's Peter Jackson Sierra's and Chris Lambden's Beaurepaires Commodore & Skyline ran basically the exact same liveries ......
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I wonder who owned the livery IP in 1989 and 1990 when Glenn Seton's Peter Jackson Sierra's and Chris Lambden's Beaurepaires Commodore & Skyline ran basically the exact same liveries ......
Or the Skippy Parsons commodore
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Story out of Queensland this weekend seems to have MWR down as interested in running a wildcard at Bathurst this year. It seems the young fella who took Mr Kelly's Altima for a run on Friday, and a bloke Mr Caruso doesn't like too much from their coming together recently may just be pairing up in one of their team's 3 Altimas for that race.

There is no noise out of Supercarland about a request for entry, perhaps because there is a possibility this car may take over an existing REC slot for that weekend... in place of the said team having to field 2 cars...

Stranger things have gone on before, presuming any of this actually happened
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Story out of Queensland this weekend seems to have MWR down as interested in running a wildcard at Bathurst this year. It seems the young fella who took Mr Kelly's Altima for a run on Friday, and a bloke Mr Caruso doesn't like too much from their coming together recently may just be pairing up in one of their team's 3 Altimas for that race.

There is no noise out of Supercarland about a request for entry, perhaps because there is a possibility this car may take over an existing REC slot for that weekend... in place of the said team having to field 2 cars...

Stranger things have gone on before, presuming any of this actually happened
Translation:
MWR to run Bryce Fullwood and Shae Davies in a Nissan at Bathurst in the second LDM slot.

Possibly.
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The convoluted riddles are a refreshing change from some of the other garabge that gets posted on here.
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Story out of Queensland this weekend seems to have MWR down as interested in running a wildcard at Bathurst this year. It seems the young fella who took Mr Kelly's Altima for a run on Friday, and a bloke Mr Caruso doesn't like too much from their coming together recently may just be pairing up in one of their team's 3 Altimas for that race.

There is no noise out of Supercarland about a request for entry, perhaps because there is a possibility this car may take over an existing REC slot for that weekend... in place of the said team having to field 2 cars...

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Which one, Caruso doesn't like two of the idiots out of MWM. Both Le Brocq and Davies have taken him out. In Davies defence that was a racing incident but Jack on the weekend just showed why he needs more time to learn. That was stupid.
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Which one, Caruso doesn't like two of the idiots out of MWM. Both Le Brocq and Davies have taken him out. In Davies defence that was a racing incident but Jack on the weekend just showed why he needs more time to learn. That was stupid.
I thought JLB was taken out by caruso, Both commentators agree with me.

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Which one, Caruso doesn't like two of the idiots out of MWM. Both Le Brocq and Davies have taken him out. In Davies defence that was a racing incident but Jack on the weekend just showed why he needs more time to learn. That was stupid.
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I thought JLB was taken out by caruso, Both commentators agree with me.

Got to leave room

Don't often agree with you Pecky but you got this one right.
The only stupid one was Caruso.
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