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10 Mar 2005, 16:28 (Ref:1248661)
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Worst Driver Ever
Who, in your opinion, is the WORST driver ever to grace the cockpit of an F1 car.
My nominations are......Tiago Monteiro, Zsolt Baumgartner, Jan Magnussen, Esteban Tuero, Luciano Burti, etc. Enjoy. Last edited by Setantra; 10 Mar 2005 at 16:32. Reason: Offence caused. Bellof is great. |
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10 Mar 2005, 16:30 (Ref:1248666)
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OMG . OMG . you put Bellof on tha list ??
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10 Mar 2005, 16:32 (Ref:1248668)
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Bellof? What a ridiculous inclusion, this guy nearly won Monaco as a rookie from 20th on the grid. Tuero did well considering his youth and inexperience, and Magnussed had a lot of talent but somehow showed little of it in F1.
In recent years I'd say Jean Denis Deletraz is probably the worst, but the overall standard was a lot lower in the 50s and 60s - beyond the obvious superstars there were a lot of private entries and gentleman racers involved, and far less people ever had a chance to try their hand at racing. |
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10 Mar 2005, 16:33 (Ref:1248669)
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We have done these sort of threads in the past and I've never found they canvass positive comment. I find it hard to believe that anyone could list Bellof amongst that company.
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10 Mar 2005, 16:37 (Ref:1248673)
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So did everyone
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10 Mar 2005, 16:37 (Ref:1248674)
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he saved himself by editing the post
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10 Mar 2005, 16:38 (Ref:1248678)
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You're confusing two different races there. |
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10 Mar 2005, 16:42 (Ref:1248684)
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It was '84 when Bellof almost won, and '82 when Patrese did. As I recall, Senna was catching Prost at a second a lap in the wet when the race was stopped, while Bellof was catching Senna at a similar rate. I think Senna vs Bellof could well have been the theme of late '80s, early '90s F1 had things worked out differently.
Anyway, back on topic, Jean-Denis Deletraz would have to have my vote for a) qualifying an F1 Larrouse at the '95 Portugese GP in a time that would have put him near the back of the F3000 grid the same weekend, and b) stalling on the racing line coming out of the hairpin. |
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10 Mar 2005, 16:43 (Ref:1248685)
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Apologies, Prost won it in controversial circumstances.
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10 Mar 2005, 16:49 (Ref:1248693)
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Deletraz surely...
Philippe Adams springs to mind as well, every single Belgian with a remote interest in motorsport is terribly sorry to unleash that guy on F1... 
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10 Mar 2005, 16:56 (Ref:1248708)
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Otto Stuppacher.
At Monza 1976, on his GP debut, he was 8 seconds off the next slowest guy (Merzario). At Mosport, for his 2nd, he was 7 seconds off the next slowest. At Watkins Glen, for his 3rd, he was 6 seconds off Henri Pescarolo, who had practice problems. The next slowest guy who had a trouble-free practice was 20 seconds ahead of him... They used to have a 110% rule, then a 107% rule, as a cut off for DNQing. With Otto, his best performance would have required a 115% rule; his worst would have needed a 127% rule... Needless to say he DNQ'd every time. At Monza he was too slow, even though technically he out-qualified Hunt et al after the Italian stewards cheated, so he would not have been allowed to race. Before you blame his old Tyrrell for his lack of pace, Alex Pesenti-Rossi (an average F2 driver) got the same model to the grid a few times fairly handily. |
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10 Mar 2005, 16:59 (Ref:1248714)
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I know this is off-topic, but I was thinking about Monaco 1982 a few nights ago. It looked like Patrese recieved outside assistance when he rejoined after the spin, so presumably they should've dtopped scoring the car. The thing is, no one else completed the full distance, with Pironi and de Cesaris stopping on the final lap and everyone else being lapped. So how would the result have gone if it had continued until someone else completed 78 laps, and where would Patrese have been classified?
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10 Mar 2005, 17:00 (Ref:1248716)
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 Tiago Monteiro has only had one race, give him a chance....Baumgartner turned out to be better than what was thought of him, especially compared to his first qualifying session when he was all over the place, yet he was consistent, and brought the car home, as a result out shinned Bruni. |
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10 Mar 2005, 17:03 (Ref:1248722)
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Magnusen?????? Last edited by Super Tourer; 10 Mar 2005 at 17:15. Reason: Autocensor there for a reason - read the FAQ's. |
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10 Mar 2005, 17:03 (Ref:1248723)
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As for my worst driver I have seen. It would have to be Alex Yoong, you can't say he didn't have any opportunities.
As for Luciano Burti, he wasn't the worst driver of all time, and don't forget he was in the Prost...... 
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10 Mar 2005, 17:04 (Ref:1248726)
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There's no need to be offensive, question the post not the poster.
And it's only his view. Last edited by Super Tourer; 10 Mar 2005 at 17:22. |
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10 Mar 2005, 17:09 (Ref:1248735)
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10 Mar 2005, 17:10 (Ref:1248737)
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Thank you. Sorry if I caused offence. I also thought Firman (also irish) was not the best driver in the world, so why are you getting all uptight about the Danish thing. No offence to your country, but I just didn't feel that Magnussen made the cut for Formula One. And wasn't he replaced by Verstappen mid way through the 1998 season? Case closed
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10 Mar 2005, 17:11 (Ref:1248738)
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Bernie Ecclestone
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10 Mar 2005, 17:13 (Ref:1248741)
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no major argument there.
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10 Mar 2005, 17:15 (Ref:1248743)
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Trouble with most of the recent nominations, and partic those in the orig post, is that they were in some of the most appalling machinery imaginable. You really need to look at the midfield to figure out who is really pants.
Like Ralph Firman, for example. And Enrico Bernoldi. And Pedro Diniz. All of whom (and lets face it, a lot of pants drivers are at least entertaining to watch) were just so very boring. And if Baumgartner is in the nominations, why not Giorgio Pantano? At least Zsolt scored a point! |
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10 Mar 2005, 17:16 (Ref:1248746)
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I don't think any of the original names are among the worst 10% of the 800 or so guys who've competed in F1 races, other than maybe Baumgartner (but even he acheived a lot more than many theoretically-better drivers, mainly through hard work and the right attitude).
I wouldn't put Bernoldi among the worst either - how many other people have overtaken Schumacher in any machinery, let alone an Arrows? Diniz outqualified Hill at Spa in the same car as well, and eventually became quite respectable. Stuppacher is surely one of the worst, as ensign says. Last edited by BootsOntheSide; 10 Mar 2005 at 17:18. |
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10 Mar 2005, 17:17 (Ref:1248747)
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A heads up to everyone - worst/best driver threads often bring out the worst reaction in people - perhaps we can bear this in mind should a driver you follow be named....
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10 Mar 2005, 17:21 (Ref:1248751)
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Oh, and can I add Gaston Mazzacane? I know he was in a Minardi too, but he was big Bridget Jones-style pants. |
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10 Mar 2005, 17:23 (Ref:1248756)
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Ricardo Rosett must rank fairly high up on the list of Bad F1 drivers.
Trying to perform a spin turn at Monaco and clouting the barrier causing retirement. Driving into an obvious crash at Spa in the wet, cars going in all directions and he drives straight towards it with the foot buried to the floor. |
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