BTCC BTCC 2021 - Page 70

billy bleach · 20 Jan 2021, 09:32 (Ref:4030213)

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Originally Posted by Racing Harz

http://www.btcc.net/2021/01/20/ingra...de-price-cars/

So Ingram has taken his Handsford and Ginsters money to Hyundai? Does that make him a pay driver?.....Only there because he has cash?....

Matt K · 20 Jan 2021, 09:34 (Ref:4030215)

Even if Tingram is not able to fight for the title this year (and I'm not that sure about it), my impression is EXCELR8 is a very professional outfit, seems well-funded as well and Tingram is on a 'multi-year deal.' So he can learn the ropes in 2021, win some races and be right in the title hunt in 2022. I believe they, as the whole package, are well capable of that.

crmalcolm · 20 Jan 2021, 09:41 (Ref:4030216)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

So Ingram has taken his Handsford and Ginsters money to Hyundai? Does that make him a pay driver?.....Only there because he has cash?....

Yes, Yes and Yes.

His commercial partners' requirements were at odds with the direction Speedworks has taken, but a deal with EXCELR8 was possible.

Every driver on the grid has taken their personal sponsors with them to the team they driver for.
Every driver on the grid is a pay driver.
Every driver is only there because they have the cash.

Jiiiiiiim · 20 Jan 2021, 09:47 (Ref:4030217)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

And designed the MG6 and 125i, plus had a hand in the Subaru and the 330.

And the Astra!

jsmee · 20 Jan 2021, 09:50 (Ref:4030218)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

So Ingram has taken his Handsford and Ginsters money to Hyundai? Does that make him a pay driver?.....Only there because he has cash?....

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antnee · 20 Jan 2021, 11:51 (Ref:4030228)

Latest update

Team	Car	Driver	Notes

Confirmed Entries
Power Maxed	Vauxhall Astra	Plato	Confirmed in press release
Power Maxed	Vauxhall Astra	???	Confirmed in press release
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic FK8	Cammish	Confirmed in press release
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic FK8	Shedden/Neal?	Confirmed in press release, Neal talked about options away from racing and trying to get a deal for Flash
Autobrite (HARD./BMR)	Cupra Leon	Goff	Confirmed in press release
Autobrite (HARD./BMR)	Cupra Leon	Geddie	Confirmed in press release
HARD./BMR	Cupra Leon	Taylor-Smith	Confirmed in press release
HARD./BMR	Cupra Leon	???	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools (HARD./BMR)	Infiniti Q50	Moffat	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools (HARD./BMR)	Infiniti Q50	Sutton	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools (HARD./BMR)	Infiniti Q50	Boardley	Confirmed in press release
Ciceley Motorsport	BMW 330i	Morgan	Confirmed in press release
Ciceley Motorsport	BMW 330i	Chilton	Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price Cars	Hyundai i30	Smiley	Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price Cars	Hyundai i30	Butel	Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price Cars (Ginsters?)	Hyundai i30	Ingram	Confirmed in press release
EXCELR8 Trade Price Cars (Ginsters?)	Hyundai i30	???	Confirmed in press release
MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square	Ford Focus	Hill	Confirmed in press release
MB Motorsport accelerated by Blue Square	Ford Focus	O.Jackson?	Rumours of car/driver connected to Motorbase/Hollamby
Motorbase (AmD)	Ford Focus	Neate?	Confirmed in press release
Motorbase (AmD)	Ford Focus	Osborne?	Confirmed in press release – Osborne family involved with purchase of team
WSR	BMW 330i	Jelley?	Reported as considering a move away from Parker
WSR	BMW 330i	Oliphant?	Reported in motorsport.com as a confirmed 3-car entry
WSR	BMW 330i	???	Reported in motorsport.com as a confirmed 3-car entry
BTC Racing	Honda Civic FK8	Cook	Confirmed in press release
BTC Racing	Honda Civic FK8	Crees	Confirmed in press release
BTC Racing	Honda Civic FK8	Edwards	Confirmed in press release
Speedworks	Toyota Corolla	Butcher?	Confirmed in press article
Speedworks	Toyota Corolla	Smelt?	Confirmed in press article

Likely Entries
???	???	Rowbottom	In this very thread from the driver!
???	???	Proctor	Talk of ‘deal being done’

Possible Entries
???	???	Parfitt Jr	Publicising an attempt to be on the grid

Entries with doubt
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic FK8	???	Intention for 3rd car reported in MN - depending on TBL

All entries could be marked '*' due to COVID

BTCC frog · 20 Jan 2021, 12:13 (Ref:4030231)

So the gap at WSR is surely going to Turkington (barring any financial problems).
I believe the gap at Excelr8 is going to Thompson (although it could be Proctor).
I also believe the gap at Team HARD is going to Hamilton.
This leaves only one spot left on the grid, at PMR, and both Proctor and Rowbottom have said that they are likely to be on the grid. So either one of the previous assumptions is wrong, or one of Proctor and Rowbottom will be on the sidelines, with the other going to PMR.
At Team Dynamics, I think it will still be Matt Neal, who will do one more year before retiring (along with Plato). Then hopefully Shedden will come back in 2022, as I can't see Team Dynamics getting a third car.

S griffin · 20 Jan 2021, 12:47 (Ref:4030232)

Now that Tingram has been confirmed at Excelr8, hopefully he can help them move further up the grid after their promising first year with the Hyundai

Overboost · 20 Jan 2021, 13:49 (Ref:4030249)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

So the gap at WSR is surely going to Turkington (barring any financial problems).
I believe the gap at Excelr8 is going to Thompson (although it could be Proctor).
I also believe the gap at Team HARD is going to Hamilton.
This leaves only one spot left on the grid, at PMR, and both Proctor and Rowbottom have said that they are likely to be on the grid. So either one of the previous assumptions is wrong, or one of Proctor and Rowbottom will be on the sidelines, with the other going to PMR.
At Team Dynamics, I think it will still be Matt Neal, who will do one more year before retiring (along with Plato). Then hopefully Shedden will come back in 2022, as I can't see Team Dynamics getting a third car.

They'll need to have found a backer to fill the void of BMW's input to keep Turks. Fingers crossed.

Now it's apparent Dynamic's will only be 2 cars, i expect Cammish to have a new teammate who brings backing. Looks like Neal having to put Business before his desire for one final season. Though don't think he won't race this season though, just not BTCC.

Matt K · 20 Jan 2021, 14:08 (Ref:4030254)

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Originally Posted by Overboost

They'll need to have found a backer to fill the void of BMW's input to keep Turks. Fingers crossed.

Has there been any announcement about BMW stepping down? Also, has BMW really supported WSR financially?

BobJones · 20 Jan 2021, 14:36 (Ref:4030264)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

Has there been any announcement about BMW stepping down? Also, has BMW really supported WSR financially?

1. Nope
2. Yes

BMW funded the entire development of the current engine and the new 3-Series. Plus, paid Colin's wages of late.

WestHam92 · 20 Jan 2021, 14:40 (Ref:4030265)

It's a good move for Ingram. The Hyundais looked decent last season and 13th and 14th is definitely not the best Excelr8 could achieve. I'd expect Smiley to finish around there again, but Ingram will be in contention for victories. Hopefully Thompson joins, as they'll have a good lineup with Ingram, Thompson and Smiley...maybe not Butel though

Matt K · 20 Jan 2021, 16:49 (Ref:4030290)

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Originally Posted by BobJones

1. Nope
2. Yes

BMW funded the entire development of the current engine and the new 3-Series. Plus, paid Colin's wages of late.

Yes, I knew about Colin's wage. Still, the lack of any kind of announcement makes me hopeful WSR will be a 'factory' BMW team, although recent trend in BMW Motorsport's programmes is worrying...

Alfisti · 20 Jan 2021, 17:27 (Ref:4030299)

A BMW subsidiary or "partner" may fill the funding gap, that's if there is one.

I am anticipating Matt will be partnering Dan Camm.

The ? for me is PMR - have they new partners on board who are not dependent on hospitality? I hope so, as I really would like JP and MN having one last season at it.

touring fan01 · 20 Jan 2021, 17:28 (Ref:4030300)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

Yes, I knew about Colin's wage. Still, the lack of any kind of announcement makes me hopeful WSR will be a 'factory' BMW team, although recent trend in BMW Motorsport's programmes is worrying...

wsr didnt announce their team until early march last year

thetool · 20 Jan 2021, 17:51 (Ref:4030310)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

wsr didnt announce their team until early march last year

They had announced all three drivers in December 2019.

touring fan01 · 20 Jan 2021, 18:27 (Ref:4030317)

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Originally Posted by thetool

They had announced all three drivers in December 2019.

yeah i mean the bmw part of it

Robshillito1990 · 20 Jan 2021, 18:48 (Ref:4030325)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

So the gap at WSR is surely going to Turkington (barring any financial problems).
I believe the gap at Excelr8 is going to Thompson (although it could be Proctor).
I also believe the gap at Team HARD is going to Hamilton.
This leaves only one spot left on the grid, at PMR, and both Proctor and Rowbottom have said that they are likely to be on the grid. So either one of the previous assumptions is wrong, or one of Proctor and Rowbottom will be on the sidelines, with the other going to PMR.
At Team Dynamics, I think it will still be Matt Neal, who will do one more year before retiring (along with Plato). Then hopefully Shedden will come back in 2022, as I can't see Team Dynamics getting a third car.

Don't see Plato retiring from btcc anytime soon tbh.

mark_l · 20 Jan 2021, 20:16 (Ref:4030333)

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Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Don't see Plato retiring from btcc anytime soon tbh.

Much the pity.

**BertMk2** · 20 Jan 2021, 20:25 (Ref:4030335)

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Originally Posted by Robshillito1990

Don't see Plato retiring from btcc anytime soon tbh.

Retiring - maybe not. Not racing as he doesn't have the budget - quite possibly, after all that's why he was absent last year.

crmalcolm · 20 Jan 2021, 20:35 (Ref:4030336)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Retiring - maybe not. Not racing as he doesn't have the budget - quite possibly, after all that's why he was absent last year.

True. I feel the time we don't see him on the grid is when his bank balance would go down rather than up by competing - and I wouldn't criticise him for it.

porsche962fan · 20 Jan 2021, 21:01 (Ref:4030340)

but doesn't he really want those 100 wins ? as he is so close to achieve it

mark_l · 20 Jan 2021, 22:46 (Ref:4030353)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

but doesn't he really want those 100 wins ? as he is so close to achieve it

Probably not at a cost to his own wealth. If someone else is paying then great.

crmalcolm · 21 Jan 2021, 06:00 (Ref:4030380)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

but doesn't he really want those 100 wins ? as he is so close to achieve it

Last season tells the story.

Alfisti · 21 Jan 2021, 07:53 (Ref:4030385)

I know he wants those wins; wanting to win some races and wanting your bank balance half a million lighter I doubt it - he has a family to feed after all!

I suspect he's been busy for months now working his long contact list to put a deal or deals together...

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