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14 Jun 2001, 10:47 (Ref:105071)
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Harvey Won in 1983 with Brock and Perkins
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14 Jun 2001, 10:53 (Ref:105075)
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Colin,
That could still be significant as Ray nominated the cut off date at 1983. And he won with two others. I'm clutching at straws. My memory is shot. Did Bob Morris win at all? Could it be Morris? Or Murray Carter? Probably not Murray! Ray get back here. |
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14 Jun 2001, 10:58 (Ref:105077)
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Ray I am stumped at this too could it be Bob Forbes or John McCormack
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14 Jun 2001, 11:17 (Ref:105084)
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Bob Morris won in 1976 with John Fitzpatrick.
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14 Jun 2001, 11:22 (Ref:105088)
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Having given it some more thought (which is difficult for me) I'd say it would have to be John French.
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14 Jun 2001, 11:41 (Ref:105096)
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Colin,
Didn't he win in '74 with John Goss in the wet? |
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14 Jun 2001, 11:44 (Ref:105097)
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French won with Johnson in 81, Bartlett won with Goss in the wet.
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14 Jun 2001, 11:51 (Ref:105100)
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I'm loosing the plot here. Bloody hell Ray, where are you? |
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14 Jun 2001, 12:05 (Ref:105103)
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Give a bloke a break! Had to go to town for a meeting and do some shopping... why are you having so much trouble?
Who won once only, and had a co-driver who won with someone else another year? Who had the skill to set fastest lap year after year - apart from Brock? Look, I have to say that Frenchy would be a bit of a good choice, but it's not him... Remember, our hero also raced a car that had come from Ian Geoghegan (this is in normal racing, not the HF/Armstrong/etc enduro), and he was there from the sixties onwards. Come on blokes, give it a shot! Who hasn't got a list of winners over the years? |
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14 Jun 2001, 12:15 (Ref:105107)
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Firth- nope
Reynolds- nope Bo Seton? Midge Bosworth? nope Bobby Holden? I doubt it Aaltonen? i doubt it Freddy Gibson - nope Barry Mulholland? I doubt it Colin Bond? Tony Roberts? Moffat?  Brock? Pete Geoghegan? nope Goss and KB? nope Brian Sampson?? Bobby Morris or Fitzy? nope Jacky Ickx? Jimmy Richards? If the answer aint in there, you've been yanking our chain
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14 Jun 2001, 12:26 (Ref:105111)
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The answer is in there. No doubt about it.
But there are some in there who shouldn't be... Anyway, I guess I should give another clue... as far as I can see, he raced at Bathurst until 1984. Later he returned with a close involvement with another top-line driver. |
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14 Jun 2001, 23:36 (Ref:105326)
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re: Marshal and Fangio- well Juan Fangio II (his nephew) ran in 1987 with Gary Brabham, but I don't think that he is the best ever on the mountain
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14 Jun 2001, 23:49 (Ref:105333)
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Some imported drivers were right flops, actually, as mentioned with the return of Paul Hawkins in 1968.
Actually, thinking back to those early days again, many of the drivers then would have walked all over some of those given top billing today. The place was very much the land of the brave. Ian or Morrie Fergusson once went off on the inside of McPhillamy Park and finished up hundreds of yards down the hill... the classic launch of Tony Roberts over Skyline would frighten any of them! Conrod with six feet less width, embankments or gutters to each side separating the cars from the paddocks and the wire fences... and S4 Holdens, old Cortina GTs at war with each other, and the few Studebakers that ran out of brakes after two trips down Conrod. These blokes have got it easy, so the 'best that never won' can't come from the past fifteen years! |
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15 Jun 2001, 00:06 (Ref:105344)
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Actually a lot of septics have been flops over the years, Johny Rutherford, Janet Guthrie, John Andretti...
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15 Jun 2001, 00:51 (Ref:105353)
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Rutherford was one I thought of... he got to Skyline, as I recall, and died in the bum!
I guess Skyline could do that to you on your first racing lap if you haven't taken the time to do a lap beforehand! |
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15 Jun 2001, 03:31 (Ref:105376)
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I'll go for Brian Sampson
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15 Jun 2001, 03:56 (Ref:105380)
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No, Sammo raced open wheelers, so he's not Ray's man.
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15 Jun 2001, 06:57 (Ref:105407)
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i think there is too many to mention but Glenn Seton has to be one of the favourites.
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15 Jun 2001, 13:16 (Ref:105487)
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Ray,
Is it Richard Mork ? |
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15 Jun 2001, 13:19 (Ref:105488)
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Its Homer Simpson
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15 Jun 2001, 13:22 (Ref:105489)
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What about Bill Attard
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15 Jun 2001, 21:03 (Ref:105644)
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Jacky Ickx
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16 Jun 2001, 14:52 (Ref:105855)
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I'm disappointed. Didn't anybody know that Barry Seton took over the Cortina GT that Pete (and Leo) Geoghegan raced when they got their Lotus Cortina?
Glenn Seton is good because he has the genetics of his father, folks, the best Touring Car driver in Australia in the sixties, with the possible exception of Wayne Mahnken. Oh, did I say something that surprised you there? Last edited by Ray Bell; 16 Jun 2001 at 14:53. |
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19 Jun 2001, 12:49 (Ref:106851)
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Sure did Ray, big surprise there. I knew Bo Seton was good, but I've never thought of him as one of the greats. I'm surprised anyone would suggest someone other than Pete Geoghegan as THE touring car driver of the sixties. Of course I'm not old enough to remember then, but all the history I've seen or heard proclaims Geoghegan as the man! Though, of course as they say, history is written by the victors.
Who was Seton's regular co-driver who won once with someone else? What did Bo do with the ex-Geoghegan Cortina? Was it the GT with which Pete won the last Appendix J ATCC? Bo was reunited with his '83 Bathurst Capri at last year's historic Lakeside and was given the oppurtunity to do some demo laps. After each lap, his times got better and better and his smile got wider and wider. Steve Land is now actively trying to encourage him to get into Historic Touring car racing. P.S. Wayne who? The name Mahnken is vaguely familiar but i don't recall him or his exploits, any chance of a quick history lesson. |
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19 Jun 2001, 13:07 (Ref:106856)
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Okay, David, it's like this... Pete was brilliant, a superb driver, but Bo had none of the backing that Pete did and still achieved a lot. His smoothness was something to appreciate, really special.
Wayne Mahnken was something different. He had a formerly crashed S4 Holden that he used on the road. At Longford, a real power circuit, on Pirelli road radials, he laced the HD of Boote, which was a spare-no-expense car for racing only on racing tyres. That was one example. Later he was mechanic for Terry Allen with his Camaro... what a waste! As for the Cortina, yes, it was the same one Pete won in at Lakeside, but he didn't race it for long. His co-driver who won with another was Fred Gibson. As is well known, he was nothing like as good as Bo. Steve was telling me the other week about his encouragement. |
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