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Another way to rate Eddie is through his input into the development of the race cars that ferrari produced. I think it was one of the key factors behind the signing of Eddie.In fact the guy was so quick in testing in the early days that his track time was cut back big time. I remember reading a funny interview on him in which he said he was the best paid holiday maker in ireland because of the lack of testing and all he had to do was turn up at the races once every two weeks and even at this the guy was still close to MS on the track. As i said before the guy was only doing what he was told not what he wanted for himself.
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An exageration maybe, but it certainly lost pace relative to the others during that spell without Michael. Whether it was an inability to find a decent set-up or a general fall off I don't know. It did alright at the low downforce tracks. However the change was remarkable when Michael returned in Malaysia.
The three years at Jaguar Racing hardly points to great development skills either. Although I accept that there are other issues too! |
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They pretty much froze development after Hockenheim though. The Ferrari dropped off then. New parts were brought in only at the Nurburgring, hardly continuous development you would expect from the Scuderia.
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I wouldn't say they made strides backwards, just no strides forwards. Ferrari, after all, did basically halt development for the first few weeks or so when they thought that the title was lost due to Michael being out of the title chase.
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McLaren meanwhile made massive strides forward......that's probably where the title was lost....Spa was just plain embarassing.
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We're all beating about the bush here arn't we? Ferrari/MS didn't really want EI to win the title did they? Could you really see MS settling for second place if it was HIS title at stake? There was no way Eddie was going to be world champion before Michael.
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I have to say that i agree with you graves. Imo, there was no way that they wanted a driver who they were paying £5 mill to win when the driver being paid £25 mill hadn't acheived it.
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I think EI was a reasonable, solid driver.
I'd rate him similarly to Coulthard or Panis. |
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As I said before, what did he expect.......?
And I'm not convinced about the theory that Ferrari would rather lose a drivers championship than let their no.2 driver win it. If that really is true, they're a much sadder lot at Ferrari than I thought...... |
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I don't know the number of tests they had during Michael's break (excuse the pun), but Irvine should have pushed for more and tried to motivate that team like Michael did and does. Even if he did get them out there I think it was Michael's development skills are the thing that took Ferrari forward. All IMHO. |
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No doubt about that IMO.
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I dont rate irvine!!!
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There's nothing different about this exchange of views about Eddie than many other F1 drivers, past and present. Leaving aside the obvious greats and the obvious also-rans/pay drivers etc., we will always have differences of opinion over drivers like Irvine. Personally, I think there's a lot of viewing of Eddie's F1 prowess through rose-tinted specs, but I realise others disagree and think he was much better than that.
By the way, Michael was a world champ long before Eddie had his chance....... |
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I rate Irvine gone, and good riddance!
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I was never a fan of Eddie - he used his brain too often and his brain not enough. However, he was a reasonable F1 driver, who was solid and who had a strong enough character to just get on with it at Ferrari, whatever was going on. Having said that, I think that there were a lot of drivers at the time who were better than him, including DC and Rubens. RB has been far more convincing as Schuey's team-mate, although it is fair to say that the quality of the Ferrari in recent years has probably helped him.
I think that four GP wins flatter him, especially as Alesi had only one and Martin Brundle didn't win any. |
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