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Old 12 Oct 2009, 06:10 (Ref:2559486)   #1
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Larko: "JDR cars sound like V12s"

I haven't heard it up close 'n personal but Mark Larkham was saying in the commentary that the JDR cars sound more like 'V12s' as a result of using an elaborate header system.

Larko thinks the header system "should be banned" because they don't sound like V8s. Those comments had me perplexed.

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Old 12 Oct 2009, 06:20 (Ref:2559489)   #2
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He can't have been listening to too many V12s then, can he?

The Kelly cars souond different alright but they still sound like V8s and like no V12 I have ever heard.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 06:20 (Ref:2559490)   #3
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they are running what sounds like a 180 degree header.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 06:39 (Ref:2559496)   #4
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They will be pulsed pipes run in the engines firing order, they sound awesome I reckon, a real throaty growl - very impressive
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 07:53 (Ref:2559532)   #5
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I haven't heard it up close 'n personal but Mark Larkham was saying in the commentary that the JDR cars sound more like 'V12s' as a result of using an elaborate header system.

Larko thinks the header system "should be banned" because they don't sound like V8s. Those comments had me perplexed.

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Actually, I think Larko was answering a viewer's question about why they sound like a V12. So it was the viewr's opintion.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 07:54 (Ref:2559533)   #6
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The "banned" comment was a joke.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 08:14 (Ref:2559541)   #7
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they are running what sounds like a 180 degree header.

Correct, Correct and Correct. Actually, I think Larko was answering a viewer's question.

You mean, like this?...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b8...nk/Headers.jpg

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Old 12 Oct 2009, 09:13 (Ref:2559563)   #8
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 11:22 (Ref:2559651)   #9
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they sound nothing like a V12 IMO but everyone including the viewer is entitled to their opinion. they sound different and it's good, at the track you can tell each different teams motors/exhaust system has it's slightly different sounds when it comes past you but you can pick the Kelly car a mile off and it's great to have something different like that.

when these headers first came out last year i thought they sounded like **** but it's grown on me and i actually really like it now.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 11:38 (Ref:2559667)   #10
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I think it is more than the headers. I recall e mention of the firing order being changed to sequential too...
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 11:39 (Ref:2559670)   #11
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Made for a very "Euro"-sounding note, rather than the grunty old V8 beasty noise of which we're all so fond...
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 11:50 (Ref:2559685)   #12
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Yes, that old school grunty note, which wins all the races.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 12:17 (Ref:2559715)   #13
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Sounds like the old Cozzy V8's from the '70's era F1 machines.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 20:30 (Ref:2560127)   #14
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Whatever they've done, it sounds awesome.

As for Larko's comment about banning the system. I think that it could be sour grapes for him, as I remember his team did experiment with a different exhaust system for a while, circa 2002-2004.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 21:14 (Ref:2560154)   #15
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As for Larko's comment about banning the system. I think that it could be sour grapes for him.
I think Larko said that comment with his tongue firmly in his cheek, ie. the cars are called 'V8 Supercars' yet sound like V12's.

Still don't sound anywhere near as good as the Bathurst 99 DJR cars!

On MMM radio on sunday they had a countdown of the best driving songs in honour of Bathurst, in between songs they were playing sound clips of famous Bathurst moments. They played Dick Johnson's 1983 Hardies Heros lap, the sound of that 351 climbing mountain straight is one of the sweetest sounds ever!

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Old 12 Oct 2009, 22:45 (Ref:2560211)   #16
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they sound nothing like a V12 IMO but everyone including the viewer is entitled to their opinion. they sound different and it's good, at the track you can tell each different teams motors/exhaust system has it's slightly different sounds when it comes past you but you can pick the Kelly car a mile off and it's great to have something different like that.
Exactly my point. Which is why I was hoping that Larko's comments were on the sarcy side as I couldn't hear properly what he had said (kids do that to ya! ).

One of the best things about the V8s is that they can all be made to sound different, unless they are forced to use the same equipment (parity). How boring would that be?
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 22:57 (Ref:2560218)   #17
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I thought they sounded like a GSXR1300 Hyabusa
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 23:12 (Ref:2560227)   #18
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They sound simply magnificent...

More like a f1 v8 than a good ol' boy grunty v8, and all the better for it.
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Old 12 Oct 2009, 23:20 (Ref:2560231)   #19
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Old 13 Oct 2009, 20:52 (Ref:2560807)   #20
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Similar noises seemed to have been eminating from the SBR cars at Hamilton in 2008,a different sound to the other Fords,at the time...
That you tube clip...from Driver TBA...
Dicky J's Clevo climbing the mountain 26 years ago sounds like it may have been spinning a bit quiker than the 72hundred odd RPM used today as well...SWEET MUSIC...

And the trees...I can't help but be struck with the memory of Peter P...[Brocky,MHRIP]...Fond memories of him "talking us through a Bathurst lap"...and the 2 secong rule.
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Similar noises seemed to have been eminating from the SBR cars at Hamilton in 2008,a different sound to the other Fords,at the time...
That you tube clip...from Driver TBA...
Dicky J's Clevo climbing the mountain 26 years ago sounds like it may have been spinning a bit quiker than the 72hundred odd RPM used today as well...SWEET MUSIC...
Dick's XE used to spin hard... in qualifying in 1982 for instance, he used up to 8,000rpm, and the last Green Falcon (and given that the gun engine in it had come from the body of the gun car from 1983, one would assume that he was using big revs in the ill-fated HH lap too) was using up to 7,800 IIRC...
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Old 16 Oct 2009, 23:43 (Ref:2563027)   #22
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Dick's XE used to spin hard... in qualifying in 1982 for instance, he used up to 8,000rpm, and the last Green Falcon (and given that the gun engine in it had come from the body of the gun car from 1983, one would assume that he was using big revs in the ill-fated HH lap too) was using up to 7,800 IIRC...
Reading from 'Australian Motor Racing Year 1984/85', Dick states his engines:

* 'don't develop much useful power beyond about 7,500'
* 'has shown 7600 at Bathurst, equivalent to 174 mph, and "will do that all day"'
* 'will also cope with a momentary 8500 or so, say to avoid a gearchange and beat somebody else into a corner'
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