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View Poll Results: Who will win Bathurst in 2019
#2 Pye/Luff WAU Mobil1 Holden 1 1.89%
#3 Jacobson/Fiore KR Rabble Nissan 0 0%
#5 Holdsworth/Randle Tickford Bottle O Ford 0 0%
#6 Waters/Caruso Tickford Monster Energy Ford 0 0%
#7 Heimgartner/Fullwood KR Plus Fitness Nissan 1 1.89%
#8 Percat/Blanchard BJR BJR Holden 0 0%
#9 Reynolds/Youlden Erebus Penrite Holden 5 9.43%
#12 Coulthard/D'Alberto DJRTP Shell Ford 0 0%
#14 Slade/Walsh BJR Freightliner Holden 0 0%
#15 Kelly/Wood KR Castrol Nissan 0 0%
#17 McLaughlin/Premat DJRTP Shell Ford 12 22.64%
#18 Winterbottom/Richards Team18 Irwin Holden 0 0%
#19 LeBrocq/Webb Tekno Truck Assist Holden 0 0%
#21 Jones/Canto BJR CoolDrive Holden 1 1.89%
#22 Courtney/Perkins WAU Mobil1 Holden 0 0%
#23 Davison/Davison 23Red Milwaulkee Ford 1 1.89%
#27 Hinchcliffe/Rossi WAU Napa Auto Parts Holden 0 0%
#33 Stanaway/Pither GRM Boost Mobile Holden 1 1.89%
#34 Golding/Muscat GRM Boost Mobile Holden 0 0%
#35 Hazelwood/Smith MSR SP Tools Holden 1 1.89%
#55 Mostert/Moffat Tickford SuperCheap Auto Ford 2 3.77%
#56 Kostecki/Kostecki KBR Boost Mobile Holden 0 0%
#78 de Silvestro/Rullo KR Harvey Norman Nissan 1 1.89%
#97 Van Gisbergen/Tander RBHRT Red Bull Holden 14 26.42%
#99 de Pasquale/Brown Erebus Penrite Holden 1 1.89%
#111 Evans/Van Der Drift TKR TKR Holden (SCRATCHED) 2 3.77%
#888 Whincup/Lowndes RBHRT Red Bull Holden 10 18.87%
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 11:08 (Ref:3936041)   #781
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Clearly shows the punishment is too severe.
What?A bunch of tribal fans on both sides doing a Speedcafe poll are the repository of all wisdom?
I have no dog in this fight but that is a ridiculous statement unless you are trying to be sarcastic.
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 11:17 (Ref:3936044)   #782
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Clearly shows the punishment is too severe.
I am here to tell you that isn't what it says, but it is a poorly written question!

****ing makes me laugh though the Forda fans complaining about Roland's money....
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 11:27 (Ref:3936047)   #783
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Poll. Does the DJRTP punishment fit the crime?

56% No
38% Yes
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56% are holden morons apparently, both T8 cars were advantaged by the safety car and still couldn't win.
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 11:34 (Ref:3936048)   #784
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the debate is now a joke, close the thread.

Another bathurst "sorta" got out of control.

The winner won
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 11:39 (Ref:3936049)   #785
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I am here to tell you that isn't what it says, but it is a poorly written question!

****ing makes me laugh though the Forda fans complaining about Roland's money....
Roland whinged and whinged and whinged to get more downforce and then lost the race because their fuel economy was shot!
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 11:50 (Ref:3936050)   #786
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It's no coincidence Supercars was most successful when "red vs blue" was at it's peak.

Rile one side up. They come out swinging then the other side hits back. Media reports on controversy, more drama ensues. Rinse repeat every couple of races.

Ford. Holden. T8. Penske. These are not your "enemies", just players in a game. You feel angry, offended. You want to "hit back". That's what they want - constant bickering means you never stop to question/criticize those running and controlling the game. And doesn't it just generate some clicks!
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 20:40 (Ref:3936123)   #787
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Spot on Compromised, I have said many times in the last week or so that Supercars are loving this controversy and even feeding it, it means more punters buying TV and going to events, so more money in the gate and most likely more sponsors coming on board

They are loving the controversy, the bottom feeders
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 22:17 (Ref:3936137)   #788
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56% are holden morons apparently, both T8 cars were advantaged by the safety car and still couldn't win.
The 56% voting no would include anyone finding the penalty too harsh.

The poll is too simple, and also as per the comment section, filled with extreme tribalists who couldn’t see their favourite being wrong even after copping the punishment.
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 22:21 (Ref:3936139)   #789
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I never got angry. Not once!! Even when you resorted to name calling to illustrate your point. I dont have a superiority complex. Lying?? Nup!! Wrong as in mistaken?? It's happened before and more than likely happen again. I admitted I got the details wrong but the jist was correct. 888 cheated the same way. Again more spin than a carousel on your version of events.
And yet you continue to argue.... You can put down the shovel, you hit rock bottom three posts ago.
You keep trying to steer this into a discussion about the mistaken things you said. You keep ignoring the question I posed, which is has anyone in the series ever been done under FIA Obligation of Fairness.

You keep referring to JW at Bathurst 2015 being the same as this...you are mistaken.

JW 2015 cost those behind him less than 100m. Fabian cost those behind him 1km. If I'm not mistaken, that is 10 times worse.

JW 2015 cost those behind him less than 2 seconds. Fabian cost those behind him 47 seconds. If I'm not mistaken, that is more than 20 times worse.

But here is the fundamental difference that makes them not comparable...JW 2015 was under green flag conditions so cars were allowed to pass. Fabian was under full course yellow so no cars could pass. That is infinitely worse.

10 times worse in terms of distance lost; 20+ times worse in time lost; infinitely worse in terms of permission to pass.

If you respond to this, please don't ignore the above topics of conversation to continue this e-****ing..if you respond please include if you accept those differences between JW 2015 and Debriss 2019 (if not, say which is/are mistaken); and has anyone in this series ever accepted and pleaded guilty to unfair and unsporting conduct under FIA (if yes, please say who). I'm not saying you have to restrict your response to just those topics, but it will be telling if you respond without going near either of those.
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 22:26 (Ref:3936140)   #790
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the debate is now a joke, close the thread.

Another bathurst "sorta" got out of control.

The winner won
^ What he said.

Sore losers might be better off buying a bottle of scotch, and crying into that instead.

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Old 22 Oct 2019, 01:13 (Ref:3936148)   #791
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Bathurst 2019 is run & done now, winner declared, end of story.

DJRTP have copped penalties for what they did, IMHO they got off lightly but I struggle with the idea of taking the win away and if that had happened, would have felt wrong.

To me, the biggest issue with what DJRTP did was that four lapped cars were denied the opportunity to get their laps back at that stage plus leading into that SC period, with different fuel loads etc, there was a handful of cars that might win or get on the podium, depending on the luck of the draw with further SC periods etc. With the gap put into the field, all those possibilities went out the window, meaning that we were effectively robbed of a pretty wild last 25-26 laps.

17 would still have been in contention and may have still won it but it just felt a bit flat I guess. Certainly no-one can say that another car would definitely have won were it not for the gap in the field.

One thing that I think is almost certain is that there'll be some new rule structure in place next year to prevent this type of situation again. Won't be easy to write as these things are often a question of degree on what is considered "fair enough". Back in the day, there WAS a rule in the book that I think would have covered this situation but it was removed when the current "team orders" rule was put in place after the 2006 season ender - it's clear that it may be needed again.

There will always be an asterisk against Rick Kelly's season title due to what happened at Phillip Island that year and I think that DJRTP have done Mr McLaughlin & Mr Premat a great disservice by potentially causing a similar asterisk to sit next to this year's Bathurst victory.
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A car that fails to be within 5 car lengths of the one in front after a warning from race control cops an immediate pit lane penalty and/or the car immediately behind is authorised to pass
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Old 22 Oct 2019, 01:56 (Ref:3936151)   #793
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Perhaps the answer is simpler than we think
A car that fails to be within 5 car lengths of the one in front after a warning from race control cops an immediate pit lane penalty and/or the car immediately behind is authorised to pass
Or if said gap happens the lead car is judged to have a mechanical condition (ie overheating) and they can all pass, as per the existing rules (I think). Bet Fab would have picked up his pace had that started to happen

Or more simply introduce maximum times for any sector, failing to keep under maximum sector times allows followere to pass.
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Perhaps the answer is simpler than we think
A car that fails to be within 5 car lengths of the one in front after a warning from race control cops an immediate pit lane penalty and/or the car immediately behind is authorised to pass
And how is the 5 cars lengths to be measured?

And would a warning be given in every instance? It would sure keep Race Control busy.

I agree the answer is simple, but it requires the implementation of safety car procedures that focus first on safety. And racing flat out back to the pit lane is not safe.
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A car that fails to be within 5 car lengths of the one in front after a warning from race control cops an immediate pit lane penalty and/or the car immediately behind is authorised to pass
And if a double-stacking car impedes the car in the neighbouring pit bay from rejoining the race then both cars in that team get a drive through penalty.
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