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Old 10 Oct 2005, 19:12 (Ref:1429878)   #1
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SRO, whats their role?

After reading yet again about a pathetically attended SRO organised race (F3/GT Silverstone), can someone please tell me what their role is with F3/GT and the LMES.

Is it only me who believe they only care about the, sinking fast, FIA GT series?

Maybe the ACO should choose to work with another party for the LMES?
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Old 10 Oct 2005, 20:51 (Ref:1429993)   #2
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Yes they should
EERC should make it for me, they know howto "fight" against SRO
First british 24h race after many years, ....
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 01:19 (Ref:1430283)   #3
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EERC should make it for me, they know howto "fight" against SRO
First british 24h race after many years, ....
Are you serious?
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 06:57 (Ref:1430406)   #4
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Perhaps you ought to look more towards the poor attitude of the general public to any forms of racing other than F1 and some other oddities when considering event attendances, rather than towards the SRO who, in my opinion, have done more good than bad in their motorsport dealings and are being scapegoated in some quarters..

Britcar 24hrs was not exactly a roaring success nor a "must see", as far as I can tell.. How many "fans" turned up for that one..?

FIA GT is a pretty well supported and competetive race series, suffering from poor GT3 entires as all series with Porsche Werks cars are..

LMES can only be described as a success..

British GT, don't know enough about it to be certain, but grids do look better now than they did a few years back, pre SRO..

I know that there are some who have little or no regard for SRO. All I know is that SR has tried to make things work.. F3 is plain boring at times and Brit GT does not really have the cachet of some of the other British series (it seems, for instance, that however bad BTCC gets it still draws the crowd that is there to be drawn, which GT never has, to be honest..).. It seems sometines that there are more team and media passes about at those meetings than ticket buying punters..

Just my tuppeth..
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 09:19 (Ref:1430468)   #5
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Yes they should
EERC should make it for me, they know howto "fight" against SRO
First british 24h race after many years, ....
I hope that was a joke.

Though I'm sure both spectators enjoyed the 24 hours at Silverstone...
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 14:04 (Ref:1430695)   #6
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I agree that SR and the SRO make more a godd than a bad job. They know what happend with too much factory involvement. But they also know that the GTs need the factorys and he knows that the GTs need the private teams. So itīs a difficault process to manage these two needed factors.

Iīm sure that all the people who want to "fight" against the SRO doesnīt get ONE race organized because after the first few minutes reality strike back,

That doensīt mean that the SRO makes everything 100% right in my opinion. But im more than 90% sure that all the people at SRO knows to handle all the diffficault factors.
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 16:04 (Ref:1430791)   #7
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Agreed there, SRO ain't without mistakes, we saw that in the BGT/Avon matter, but I'd say in most of the cases they're doing a good job.
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 16:23 (Ref:1430806)   #8
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I agree, SRO generally speaking do a good job. The LMES is thriving, FIA GT is doing rather well at the moment too and so IMO is the British GT championship. With the current economic climate being what it is SRO are really stuck between a rock and a hard place and I personally feel that they are doing the best job that can be done.
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 18:34 (Ref:1430934)   #9
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I agree, SRO generally speaking do a good job
Yes,
- PLM and LMES on one weekend in first LMES calendar release
- FIA Rally WM and FIA GT on one weekend in germany
- LMES and FIA GT in one week in germany
- High costs in new GT3 because of truck color and team clothes
- FIA GT / WTCC split
- ...

i love them too
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 18:44 (Ref:1430946)   #10
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Yes,
- PLM and LMES on one weekend in first LMES calendar release
- FIA Rally WM and FIA GT on one weekend in germany
- LMES and FIA GT in one week in germany
- High costs in new GT3 because of truck color and team clothes
- FIA GT / WTCC split
- ...

i love them too
- Did we have a date clash between PLM and an LMES race this year?
- How much rally spectators would come to the LMES?
- What is the problem to hve FIA-GT and LMES attwo following weekends?
- Who said the stupid argument that the GT3 is expensive in case of the truck and team clothes doenīt understand the concept.
- The FIA-GT/WTCC split is the ONLY the real step at the current situation. If they donīt do that we have a 10 FIA-GT Minutes race between the two WTCC races in 2007

The SRO improves a dead series from 1999 to a high class racing series in 2005. That a longer period than most of the other european Top racing series. Doenīt count that?

The SRO is doing a well balanced (but very difficault) job between the manufactures and the private teams.

Donīt blame only the SRO. Tell us your "way" for the FIA-GT
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 18:52 (Ref:1430956)   #11
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Can you explain this?
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 18:55 (Ref:1430958)   #12
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OK then, heres my own PERSONAL opinion.

IMO, SRO are doing a terrible job.

SRO's insistence to accept the Maserati MC12 into the FIA GT fold not only drove a bus through the homologation rules and regs, it immediately upped budgets to unsustainable levels for many of the smaller teams, leaving the series reliant on a hardcore of well funded privateers.

At a stroke the 550, 575 and Lamborghini were rendered uncompetitive, all very exepnsive and relatively new GT1 cars, not 10 year old Vipers!

Any hopes SRO had for a World GT Championship are now left teetering on whether GM will make multipe C6.Rs available to customers, which seems unlikely at best.

Moving FIA GT away from its endurance routes, and further afield, has driven away many of its privateers and almost all of the GT2 field.

Meanwhile, SRO took over a well established British GT series, managed to lose the 'crown jewells' of Brands and Outlon, upset competitors with the Avon deal, screw around with a well established weekend timetable, fail to capatilise on a desperatly, desperatly poor BTCC, and lose entrants to Britcar.

Should we give the SRO credit for the 'relative' success of the LMES, why?

It was the ACO's concept and ANYBODY who knew anything about the sport knew full well the 1000k format and ACO regs would, at the very least, be a moderate success.

Lets not forget, before the LMES launched, SR predicted there was no demand for prototypes amongst manufactuers and teams, other than Audi, so they should be phased out or pulled back to GT1 speeds!

As for the promotion of the LMES races, well, we all no this has been **** poor up until now.

All I ask is that SRO learn from their past mistakes, the reintorduction of MSV circuits into the British GT calender is an obvious step in the right direction.

I'm sick of hearing excuses, Palmer/MSV, A1GP (yes I know they have lots of money backing them), have all shown where theres a will, theres a way.
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 18:59 (Ref:1430965)   #13
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Did we have a date clash between PLM and an LMES race this year?
No, but looks very profesional to release that calender

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How much rally spectators would come to the LMES?
If you are only a racefan, i think thats possible. Watch about how many people are visiting rally

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What is the problem to hve FIA-GT and LMES attwo following weekends?
Well, some people have to work sometimes, have family, and so one

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Who said the stupid argument that the GT3 is expensive in case of the truck and team clothes doenīt understand the concept.
why did they wrote it into the concept? i know some drivers who had been waiting for GT3 and now there are planing without GT3 because of this concept
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Can you explain this?
Its written in the concept file on SRO homepage
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 19:18 (Ref:1430988)   #14
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It's no secret that British GT has been losing teams during 2005 too - LNT, Master Motorsports and Xero provided much-needed variation from the Ferrari/Porsche parade. Didn't LNT complain they were being messed around too much by the organisers? (off topic, but that does make me wonder why Autosport reported LNT trying to enter a Panoz in BGT next year...?)

We had 19 runners in the last FIA GT race - yes, for differing reasons, but thriving series don't have problems with lack of entries. As much as I like FIA GT, I fear it reached a peak from the 2004 season to the first half of this year, and despite any new models and professional teams coming through I still think SRO are still aiming for goals which are simply too high, with not nearly enough support.

I agree with Jag - LMES is fantastic, but it's an ACO series in reality, isn't it?

David L - I will agree quite a bit of the general public doesn't cater for much other than F1. I can never understand why so many men love their supercars, but they'd never go and see them in their ultimate form, in race trim!

"British GT, don't know enough about it to be certain, but grids do look better now than they did a few years back, pre SRO.."
- personally, I much preferred the look of the series when it was in the powertour package, and had (now-named) GT1 cars. Oh man I miss those days!
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Old 11 Oct 2005, 19:48 (Ref:1431023)   #15
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why did they wrote it into the concept? i know some drivers who had been waiting for GT3 and now there are planing without GT3 because of this concept
Then these drivers doenst understand the concept. As an driver you have nothing to dowith the truck or the clothings. That part of the teams (with a little support of the manufacvurers like AM odr Ferrari or Maserati) which offer a seat like in the 360 challenge or Trofeo.

But i miss you points to make it better. How qill you get the money if you donīt accept manufacturers. And the MC12 brings a lot of publicity to the series and the GT Bureau does a good job to equal most of the cars. But what will you change?

Iīve problem when people only saying "Its bad. All is wrong" and have no own (realistic) ideas ...
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