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13 Mar 2018, 00:12 (Ref:3807613) | #551 | ||
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$20 is a FAR more reasonable ticket price anyway! You can have reasonable ticket prices when you are not trying to prop up a category owned by a capital firm and needing to squeeze every dollar for team REC income (to prop up cars and drivers that cost more to run than their actual market sponsorship value!). |
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It can however be a great category for manufacturers or dealers (or just amateur owner-drivers) to get involved with, a place where fans can cheer on cars they actually drive which are still on sale (unlike HSVs or FPVs) (Golf GTI, Civic Type R, Peugeot 308 GTI etc) and a MUCH needed stepping stone for Australian drivers into international front-wheel-drive touring car racing. I feel like those who don't "get" front wheel drives hot hatch tend to the ones who are more skeptical of TCR. Let Top Gear reliving their youth remind you of why hot hatches are so much fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXZ0rlx-MFY -- do bear in mind that not all countries have dirt cheap fuel like Australia... running a gas guzzling 6 litre HSV in the UK is expensive in the extreme for instance, a luxury that is really not a sensible choice. Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 13 Mar 2018 at 00:23. |
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People come to watch the premier category racing in our land, which by result of it being the premier category has great drivers and names and racing. But TCR wont be the premier category, there are many categories faster than TCR If people are interested in TCR they should attend Bathurst in about 3 weeks time. the production cars are much closer to TCR cars in speed than TCR are to Supercars. TCR will take back bathurst 1000 lap times to 30 years ago, No one genuinely wants that apart from Supercar haters |
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Gt4 has similar speed to a TCR car, similar price also (just adding in way of comparison)
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I also believe you are missing the point in regards to your connection to lap times , premier category and public support. For example - NASCAR are not the fastest category in North America yet have the largest crowd support and would be deemed to be US Racing's premier category. For Example - V8SC are not the fastest category in Australia in 2018 yet have the largest crowd support and would be deemed to be Australia's premier category. If TCR brings in manufacturers, who contract the best teams (Penske, 888, BJR, Prodrive etc) who then pay the household drivers the best $$$ - where do you think the fans will go watch? |
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Whats going to cause them to come to a category that is as slow as 30 years ago. Nothing, not one thing. Might be a good support category at its best |
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Regardless of which way the category goes there is one certainty.
Costs must come down and not by a small margin either. The days of having half a million dollar cars and 100k engines cannot last long in this category if it is to succeed in these times of less manufacturer dollars and the fight for sponsorship being even more fierce with so many ways a company can spend their marketing budget. Times have changed. The category has to change with it. |
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I think the key thing is what cars will get a lot of people excited to watch them race? Plain hatchbacks aren't exciting enough, hot hatches and sportscars aren't relevant to enough people. Even Mustang vs Camaro would struggle I think.
When the 5L touring car formula was launched the Commodore and Falcon had around a third of the total market, so even without the Holden vs Ford heritage the cars were relatable to a lot of people. I'm not sure what the future will hold, perhaps something like the Pirelli World Challenge GTS category in the US, ie homologate whatever you want with a performance balance/parity so you have sports cars, muscle cars, hot hatches. It could be a return to the pre-5L days where you have a heavy powerful car that kills its tyres, a small light car that makes ground under brakes. Balancing things will be tricky, but it might be only option and would make the racing more interesting. |
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Isn't GTS effectively GT4, TCR, and a homegrown class, all combined?
Or is that the IMSA one? |
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The 12 hour is attended primarily by motor racing enthusiasrs, those who like hillclimbs, historic events and the like, and that is naturally a smaller audience. Conversely, the urban street race crowd numbers are propped up by music fans -- some of which don't even bother to watch the car racing at all. |
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But they spend money to enjoy what they like doing and there are a lot of them not really sure what your point is. Any replacement still has to attract them |
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TCR as the main game in October wouldn't work. Simply put, it's not yobbo enough to identify with the current demographic that forms the bulk of the crowd.
The Supertourer 1000's of the 90's proved that it doesn't work, and TCR would be more of the same. TCR would be better served as a class in the 12 hour - which serves a good turn-key race car event. |
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I said it before, why not just run used [or new, it doesn't matter] NASCARs but with (BOPed) stock crate engines instead of the racing engines (since I figure the racing engine is the most expensive part of the stock car)? Chevy is there, Ford is there. NASCARs put on good shows on road courses. Why do the cars in the Supercars series need to have working headlights or opening doors -- what does it matter, it's not the ATCC anymore? |
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and NASCAR do not put on a good show on race courses,They put on a novel show and is significantly inferior to supercars |
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And the grandstands are not half empty, you made that up. At bathurst they were full, at newcastle they were full and at adelaide they were mostly full (the bulk of the crowd only sit in the grandstands during the race) Only one car doesn't have sponsorship and it did, but the sponsor was closed by the current owner just before the start of the season, but a lack of sponsor will happen in any motorsport |
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