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It would be very interesting to see just how much AVESCO pays in a dividend/dispersal of profits to shareholders each year, perhaps shareholder SEL for example?
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Funny isn't it how everyone is soooo keen to jump on TC's back and yet both Ford and Holden ,the companies that own the championship to the point of dictating weather another manufacturere can join in are able to allow the series to ignore such a booming market as Tassie How many people who are keen to email,write to or chain themselves to the AVESCO truck over tassie have complained to either manufacturer about where the championship is going,me thinks none |
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14 Apr 2004, 02:22 (Ref:938974) | #54 | |
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Show us the numbers and the money and we'll go to Tasmania - but like it or lump it -if you don't have the figures - go start your own series.
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That sounds just like TC line the pockets first the good of the sport last.
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It concerns me that, one day when the street circuits have mostly lost their appeal and the race teams need somewhere to race, there will be few proper circuits left for them to race on. In other words, short term success is not necessarily a good thing for long term security. It worries me to a degree that even the temple of Australian motorsport, Mount Panorama, might not be as long-term as some would like to think because it is not getting sufficient numbers (read: dollars)compared to some other events. |
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Slip over to the PROCAR site and see all the happy campers pinching themselves with glee,$45 to get in at Oran Park to see a tad over half a dozen cars ripping around,no real TV deal to speak of and certainly nothing in time for anyone that wasn't related to a board being able to secure a sponser Threads with tittles like Oran Park ticket prices This from some rally dude a MR Ed Ordin..... "I am a huge Nations Cup fan but I really think that the cattagory either need serious work or needs to be put to rest. Remember when we had Vipers, Cup Cars, Challenges and Diablo that were all competitive. The Oran park round is embarrising." Can NC adopt a new style....... "it is clear to all of us (NC fans) that the decline of the catagory is mostly due to the huge costs of acquiring and running the cars." Oh yeah what a model to compare with Do you think that the tracks that have a round would have spent $$$$ on facilitys if the threat of losing a round wasn't real????????????? If fans/public and competitors in other classes really want these facilitys then why don't they attend any races and pay the true cost of opening the gates??? |
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The point I was making, Onlooker, was in response to friend Cochran's post.
True, Procar is not as successful as SuperDuperCars but at least Ross Palmer is giving it a go and using existing circuits rather than making demands for an increasing number of street circuits or, on the other hands, demanding big upgrades on established tracks. I think it is also fair to say that Nations Cup is not the only category Procar runs and the other categories seem to have good numbers. Palmer and Cochrane are both dictatorial in their attitudes but I would suggest Palmer has a degree of benevolence that seems to be lacking in Cochrane. |
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I don't think that PROCAR have that many options as far as where they can race,from what I understand PROCAR are unable to get anyone to pay them to come to there venue and as such hire the race facility themselves and act as there own promotor,tracks wont take a punt on them and so they have no choice.
How do you imagine that helps motorsport in general?As far as the track is concerned it is the same as hireing it out to the Lower Mountains Motorcycle Club? It is just not compareing apples with apples.I see strong parallels with teh end of 2 litre here. You would have to say that the Porche guys are generally well to do guys that love racing,so they are not dills and can see a sharp bussines idea,how fast did they abandon the ship when the chance came to do CC with AVESCO? |
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15 Apr 2004, 00:49 (Ref:939974) | #60 | |
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Do I need to point out which series is the more successful - ours or Procar's?
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Mute point but AVESCO has no control over CC.CC is a support event controlled by Porche and Michelin.
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Shouldn't it be about making every category successful, not gloating about who's is better than who's?
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Very good point, Racer.
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My pet peeve........
Hello Tony,
Great to see you bite the bullet and walk into the lions den. This forum is like life, you meet all kinds of people here. But to my question, what is AVESCO doing about camping facilities at the mount? Officials have put up with a bunch of rubbsih for years and please don't just say its the local council, CAMS, NSW Govt, Feral Gumment or Intergalactic Council's problem. What is AVESCO doing? |
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Ok China has gone this year why not have a one off round in Tassie to test the water,put up with temp garages and slight track upgrades for one year show the government down here what they are missing out on.We now have three ferrys coming in. Over Easter they brought in 12 thousand people from Vic and NSW so that can only help, tell the goverment that this is a test and see what happens.
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I would have thought that camp amenities were the responsibility of the track owners, not the category promoters. Next thing you will want them to do up the dunnies at Oran Park, access to QR, and put in a swimming pool at Hidden Valley!!!
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Imagine the uproar if they fully revamped the camping area and then whacked up the fee's to match.I would have thought that given PROCAR use the track the most they should be the ones responsible for the upgrades,after all they are on the track at least 3 times as long and require more officials. |
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Also, last look of the maps showed Mount Panorama a little bit further out of town than Sandown, so that comparison is a bit of a dud too. |
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Its all about the power of persuasion, if the people in their ivory towers stepped down once in a while to see the squalour that is the Officials camping area and facilities maybe we would miraculously get some action (DGMW, I am mighty grateful for the provision of the campsites..) |
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But, in many ways i do agree with you. In a normal world it should be up to the people that own the track to do that kind of work. Regarding the camping facilities, they have been exactly the same for decades, and really is unlikely to change, but i doubt many people are going to stop camping there. |
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Not necessarily stick up for TC here, but for a long time some permenant track facilities havn't been very good, the V8's have gone to these circuits and made the money from the largest drawcard in Aussie motor racing, this of course has generally been plowed back into the circuit which benefits the local racers.
Along comes TC, spends a few years boosting the profile of the V8's (remembering it has to compete with other sports for sponsor $ and our $), then demands that circuit facilities be improved for both spectators and competitors, I can't see a problem with that. Why should AVESCO pay for the upgrades? there job is to market V8's which they have so far done succesfully. You wouldn't expect the Rolling Stones to pay for upgrades to the Sydney Opera House if they played there. In the end its all busines now, businesmen now own some of the circuits, they are there to make money from it one would presume, If AVESCO were to pump money into circuit upgrades, then you would have to expect them to be repaid with some sort of profit share. |
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And what would be wrong with that, Kieron?
AVESCO chips in to help pay for upgrades, they take a share of the profit from ALL meetings held at the track.... i don't see a downside, UNLESS the prices to use the circuit skyrocket as a result of an AVESCO cash injection. This way, Cochrane gets the facilities he wants, and the circuits don't have to go nearly broke tring to bend over backwards to please AVESCO, and being seen by some of their regular/local users as pandering to the V8s at the expense of everyone else. Of course, this assumes that Cochrane would allow other classes to use "his" tracks at a reasonable cost. |
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Its pure and simple really, the circuit owners pay AVESCO to have V8s at their track, so it should be the circuits that have to ensure that amenities are up to scratch. The F1 circus don't pay for upgrades to Albert Park. If they were not happy they would simply go elsewhere.
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