[Official] Italian Grand Prix 2019: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[justracing]

The Q3 fiasco has a parallel in Moto 3 which is so slipstream dependant that it's developed into a complete farce.

[crmalcolm]

From what I saw, I can't see why the Q3 situation should warrant a penalty.

Yes, the fans were deprived the chance of seeing cars at their limit pushing for pole, but did anyone actually contravene any regulation?
Just a simple case of everyone playing tactics and the majority getting it wrong.

[E.B]

Raikkonen has got a 5 place penalty for a gearbox change following damage due to his Q3 shunt.

[petecossie]

Just watched the highlights, what a farce seeing them ALL jockeying as to who can go the slowest so they were not at the front to anyone else a tow. No wonder I'm losing interest in following the supposed pinnacle of motorsport, used to love F1 but much prefer these days watching the FIA World Rally Championship. The rally lads are at least trying to go faster than their rivals!!
Although no rules were broken in the Q3 fiasco today and so no penalties could be applied it doesn't make for good entertainment for the fans.

[gert]

Originally Posted by ScotsBrutesFan

Hulkenberg Sainz and Stroll all given reprimands but no penalties for the Q3 go slow

I'm a bit surprised Sainz got a reprimand and others didn't. He wasn't at the front of the queue at the start of the out-lap, but was the first one over the line to start the last lap, so others must have been at least slower than him?

Nobody mad a decent effort to get to the line in time so I would have given them all a reprimand, or none of them.
All divers could have overtaken the other cars if they wanted so I think it's unfair to single out those 3.

[Nicholosophy]

It was all a bit silly. I don't think there was anything that warranted a penalty under the current rules.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Adam43

Crofty certainly shouted he didn’t make it, but I ignored that!

Originally Posted by Richard Casto

Sorry, I just have to say I enjoy any comment that speaks to Crofty and his shouting. To this day, if my wife is around when I watch a race and he starts shouting (many times for no apparent reason) and she just says... Why is he shouting?

There is the medical condition named "Pseudobulbar Affect" where you laugh or cry at inappropriate moments. I think Crofty is the poster child for the shouting variant of that.

Richard

Like that - Crofty's shrieking (it is often so high-pitched it goes beyond mere shouting) is wearisome at best isn't it? I only get to see the highlights package so seem to get more shrieking per minute LOL. I tend to turn the volume way down (not like the cars are all that hearable anyway) and like Adam, tend to ignore Crofty's shrieks and hang out for Martin's commentary.

[Nicholosophy]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Well spotted! I was going by the times at the 0, and Sainz was the only one to have been updated on the screen when the counter hit 0. I wonder how that's calculated.

The chequered flag signals the end of the session and not the red lights. There is a human element in that so it is possible that race control, in consultation with the start/finish post, judged that LeClerc started his lap before he saw the chequered flag.

This might also explain why Bottas kept his time from when the session went red after Kimi's crash. Perhaps he crossed the timing line before the red flag was displayed at the start/finish post. The timing system would have recorded the session going red as the call was made at race control and before he crossed the line. This was overridden by race control on review perhaps with consultation of the team at the start/finish post.

Of course, I'm not there so this is purely speculation, but when has that stopped anyone?

[bjohnsonsmith]

I only got to watch the highlights on C4, so a quick question on Q3 procedure. If Q3 is Red flagged, is the clock stopped on that session?

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

From what I saw, I can't see why the Q3 situation should warrant a penalty.

What the fans want are penalties. We demand penalties. Apart from when there are penalties and then we demand there are too many penalties.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Like that - Crofty's shrieking (it is often so high-pitched it goes beyond mere shouting) is wearisome at best isn't it? I only get to see the highlights package so seem to get more shrieking per minute LOL. I tend to turn the volume way down (not like the cars are all that hearable anyway) and like Adam, tend to ignore Crofty's shrieks and hang out for Martin's commentary.

I don’t mind Crofty, in fact I’ll go with generally like. I still can ignore him though!

It’s not like he’s a stop the cock “get in there!”

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by justracing

The Q3 fiasco has a parallel in Moto 3 which is so slipstream dependant that it's developed into a complete farce.

Moto 3 has stopped this by imposing minimum sector times on out lap.Slower than this you get a grid penalty.Could do the same in F1.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Adam43

I don’t mind Crofty, in fact I’ll go with generally like. I still can ignore him though!

It’s not like he’s a stop the cock “get in there!”

Yeah, when he turns the shrieking off or turns it down, he's much, much better and I don't mind him then either.

Not sure about the "get in there" reference, haven't come across that here in Oz.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Moto 3 has stopped this by imposing minimum sector times on out lap.Slower than this you get a grid penalty.Could do the same in F1.

F1 did this at Monza, for the session being talked about. The minimum lap time may have been a bit too conservative though as even with all the foxing, it appears that they all stayed on the right side of the time.

[Taxi645]

I think the race is going to be a cracker!

[Mike Bell]

Chance of rain, or at least showers?

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Not sure about the "get in there" reference, haven't come across that here in Oz.

Think that’s referring to LH’s engineer, who usually uses that phrase on team radio if LH wins. Think last win he didn’t say it though..... Thankfully!

[wnut]

Sausage kerbing on the Parabolica, who would have thought this would happen, DUH!

Beyond incompetent imo.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...Fi1uw81wS.html

[S griffin]

Well that was a farce wasn't it? Feel sorry for the fans wanting to see a last lap shootout for pole, but the drivers got what they deserved by trying to play games, as they missed out apart from Sainz and Leclerc. Would be interesting to see if Renault's position is pace genuine

Anyway should be an interesting race today

[F J Nedos]

Kimi already has DOTR.

[HDTVKSS]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Moto 3 has stopped this by imposing minimum sector times on out lap.Slower than this you get a grid penalty.Could do the same in F1.

This is what i was thinking as well. if they all then choose to go out together still even with the sector time limits to grab a tow then use Q2 as a seeding for Q3 run order and send them out in 20 second gaps with minimum sector time of a VSC.

[Akrapovic]

Does it need a rule with penalties? Those who made the mistakes didn't get to set laps.

[F J Nedos]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Well that was a farce wasn't it? Feel sorry for the fans wanting to see a last lap shootout for pole, but the drivers got what they deserved by trying to play games, as they missed out apart from Sainz and Leclerc. Would be interesting to see if Renault's position is pace genuine

Anyway should be an interesting race today

Listening to Martin Brundle, his words made me sing this song and it really should be the audio track they use for the highlights reel for qualifying!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSM2gMOmheA

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wnut

Sausage kerbing on the Parabolica, who would have thought this would happen, DUH!

Beyond incompetent imo.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...Fi1uw81wS.html

Blimey!

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Does it need a rule with penalties? Those who made the mistakes didn't get to set laps.

No new penalties for one off confluences of events imo.

This grid line up as is pretty excellent and will be a great run down to turn 1...basically they will start off where they left off in quali.