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Old 14 Sep 2020, 08:04 (Ref:4002379)   #166
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I thought he wriggled a fair bit when asked the direct question about why Albon hadn't been confirmed for next year.Before finally admitting that there was a long contract in place that needed the team's confirmation of the seat.


I thought the circuit had a lot more going for it than some of the Tilkedromes that have been foisted on us over the years.Maybe it could be included on a list of those hosting a European GP in future years.


I am curious as to how the Hamilton shirt saga will play out.The tradition of no political statements from the podium has led to repeat visits to races hosted in places with extremely dubious human rights records.Liberty and the FIA might be more than a little nervous of a repetition.It has to be said that the USA might be a little less welcoming after a high visibility criticism of it's law enforcement personnel.
Cannot wait to see Putins face on the podium if Lewis wears a T shirt like that ! Bet Putin won't have his Bully boys "arrest" him....
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 08:16 (Ref:4002383)   #167
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Was it just me, or did Toto look significantly uncomfortable while Hamilton was on the podium. Rightly or wrongly, I freely confess that I was.... Personally I would be very surprised indeed if Hamilton has not already been told that he does not do that again....
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 08:43 (Ref:4002395)   #168
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Was it just me, or did Toto look significantly uncomfortable while Hamilton was on the podium. Rightly or wrongly, I freely confess that I was.... Personally I would be very surprised indeed if Hamilton has not already been told that he does not do that again....
I guess like all Big stars ,they all get out of control with nobody prepared to say no I doubt he would have worn it if Lauda had been there. Please don't think I don't support his views - but there is a time and place - look at Marcus Rashford
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 09:00 (Ref:4002398)   #169
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So 12 drivers have been warned for "inconsistent application of throttle and brake" during the restart.

Honestly, the FIA need to look at the way that the restarts are done - if over half the grid have to be warned, then perhaps the fault actually lies with the way that the restarts are done instead or actually with the majority of the drivers?

The combination of the safety car switching its lights off very late, and the long pit straight meant that the lead car has little option other than to "go" very late unless they want to be passed before turn 1.

It was a right mess, and thankfully all drivers are OK.
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 09:03 (Ref:4002399)   #170
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 09:19 (Ref:4002404)   #171
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So 12 drivers have been warned for "inconsistent application of throttle and brake" during the restart.

Honestly, the FIA need to look at the way that the restarts are done - if over half the grid have to be warned, then perhaps the fault actually lies with the way that the restarts are done instead or actually with the majority of the drivers?

The combination of the safety car switching its lights off very late, and the long pit straight meant that the lead car has little option other than to "go" very late unless they want to be passed before turn 1.

It was a right mess, and thankfully all drivers are OK.
I think Monza and Mugello highlighted the benefits of red-flag-and-restart over the safety car. Perhaps we can ditch the safety car and just use the VSC (with a better name please) and re-starts. In that case I would say total parc ferme during red flags (no tyre changes) and possibly no tyre changes during VSC either (I hate these "free pitstops").

One major advantage of a standing start over a rolling start is that drivers are properly monitored for when they start racing. Cars at the back can't try to get an advantage by effectively jumping the start, which was the cause of the big crash yesterday.

I've never understood why the lead driver is given control of safety car restarts. If we really have to keep the safety car, why not run the pitlane speed limiter from the moment the safety car peels off and initiate the start with the normal start lights when the lead driver reaches the front of the grid?
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 09:24 (Ref:4002406)   #172
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I've never understood why the lead driver is given control of safety car restarts. If we really have to keep the safety car, why not run the pitlane speed limiter from the moment the safety car peels off and initiate the start with the normal start lights when the lead driver reaches the front of the grid?
Totally agree.
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 10:50 (Ref:4002419)   #173
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That is far too sensible, it doesn't "spice up the show" and won't appeal to fans with a short attention span.
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 11:23 (Ref:4002425)   #174
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Was it just me, or did Toto look significantly uncomfortable while Hamilton was on the podium. Rightly or wrongly, I freely confess that I was.... Personally I would be very surprised indeed if Hamilton has not already been told that he does not do that again....
That wasn't just you. And Toto wasn't the only one on the Mercedes team who looked uncomfortable.


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So 12 drivers have been warned for "inconsistent application of throttle and brake" during the restart.

Honestly, the FIA need to look at the way that the restarts are done - if over half the grid have to be warned, then perhaps the fault actually lies with the way that the restarts are done instead or actually with the majority of the drivers?

The combination of the safety car switching its lights off very late, and the long pit straight meant that the lead car has little option other than to "go" very late unless they want to be passed before turn 1.

It was a right mess, and thankfully all drivers are OK.
Agree, I think the rule makers are as much to blame as the 12 drivers.
I think the FIA should think of a better way of doing this.

The late lights off notification ensures the leader can't pull a gap before the last corner. If he could then the 2nd car probably wouldn't be able to pass the leder (and so on) -- and that is not good for the show of course.

Why not let them line up ont he grid and start from there? Just like after the red flag but without stopping in the pits and without the free tire changes.
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Old 14 Sep 2020, 11:27 (Ref:4002427)   #175
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I am glad that I avoided hearing or seeing what happened before I watched the highlights

Race was looking good with Bottas getting the jump on Hamilton on the original start, just a shame he couldnít stay ahead on the second start. Sort of killed the race a little bit. Would have been interesting if Verstappen hadnít had that power problem, he would have also got the jump on Hamilton too

Great race by Albon after a good qualifying. Once again great moves round the outside and finally got his first podium. Ricciardo is showing heís still got the means to get more wins. Just a shame the red flag cheated Russell out of the points finish him and Williams deserve

Good for Ferrari they finally got both cars in the points again on their 1000th race. Good to see Leclerc up there at the beginning, shame he didnít have the pace to stay there

First red flag wasnít Bottas fault, he was doing everything within the rules and letís face it, he didnít do a sudden stop like Schumi used to. For me, maybe itís time they bought back the SC line that they introduced 10 years ago, that was placed before the pit entrance on each circuit.

For the second week running we had a red flag due to barrier damage. Back in the day this very rarely happened if at all. It does make you wonder why itís the case now, although obviously safety becoming even more important as time goes has something to do with it. Maybe tyre walls have had their day?

Anyway it was good to race on Mugello, a proper old school circuit where mistakes were punished and where track limits werenít mentioned once AFAIK, which makes a nice change. Sochi is really going to look sterile by comparison
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For the second week running we had a red flag due to barrier damage. Back in the day this very rarely happened if at all. It does make you wonder why itís the case now, although obviously safety becoming even more important as time goes has something to do with it. Maybe tyre walls have had their day?

Anyway it was good to race on Mugello, a proper old school circuit where mistakes were punished and where track limits werenít mentioned once AFAIK, which makes a nice change.
I think the two points here are connected.

With Mugello being 'proper old school' (does that just mean old?), the circuit design and construction will have been made without concern for run-off areas. The result of this is that cars are travelling faster in close proximity to the barriers, and so any time the driver leaves the circuit there is a greater chance that the barrier will be struck causing damage. On a track where there is a greater run-off, the drivers are willing to take risks with less fear of consequence.

Ultimately, it can be seen in a similar vein to a risk assessment. The higher the speed when in close proximity to barriers means the damage will be higher. The closer the proximity to barriers when at speed means the likelihood of impact is higher.

Speed x Proximity = likelihood of barrier damage needing repair.

Move the barriers further back or reduce the speed, and there is less chance of a red flag.
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Agree, I think the rule makers are as much to blame as the 12 drivers.
I think the FIA should think of a better way of doing this.
Don't we rail against the ongoing increasing complexity of the sport? Should they enact speed limiter that neuter the car until it crosses the timing loop at the start/finish? Use ultrasonic sensors to enforce strict distancing between the cars as they approach the start/finish line? Add another 5-10Kg of maximum weight to the cars to allow for the extra sensors, etc.

I think the problem is that this type of start is not particularly common so drivers are not particularly experienced with the nuances of how to do this. On top of this the track configuration aggravated things. It is highly likely that history will show that this was a relatively rare event.

These are supposedly the top drivers in the world! Bottas did what he should have done (and frankly he had the easiest thing to do which is to only worry about those behind him). Those further back really needed a bit of cooperation between those behind and in front of each car. This requires both some experience (and with that experience is awareness of how this does and doesn't work). But they were pushing the envelope as to what they could do (speed up, slow down, speed up, slow down, but don't pass!) and it bit them hard. Lastly Botta could have even driven differently (faster or more constant speed) and that still wouldn't have guaranteed the rear of the field wouldn't have screwed it all up!

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2x2 restarts with a sponsored 'restart zone'. Simple.

What do you mean, they do that in NASCAR?
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What do you mean, they do that in NASCAR?
A 2x2 standing restart, or rolling restart?
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A 2x2 standing restart, or rolling restart?
Rolling, after a SC/FCY.

They can already get standing starts mostly right - they did 3 yesterday, which was just showing off.
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