Home Mobile Forum News Cookbook FaceBook Us T-Shirts etc.: Europe/Worldwide. eBay Motorsport Links Advertising Live Chat  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > Formula One


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 30 Jan 2018, 19:14 (Ref:3796957)   #1201
bella
Race Official
Veteran
 
bella's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
France
Posts: 15,425
bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!
worth pointing out that part of that is because they've used the blue shade to hide where it connects to the chassis. if you ignore that it's not really much different to the gp2 one.
bella is offline  
__________________
devils advocate in-chief and professional arguer of both sides
Quote
Old 30 Jan 2018, 19:31 (Ref:3796963)   #1202
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 5,985
chillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by bella View Post
worth pointing out that part of that is because they've used the blue shade to hide where it connects to the chassis. if you ignore that it's not really much different to the gp2 one.
true true...encouraging though to see that a splash of colour can soften the look if it.
chillibowl is online now  
__________________
What shall we use to fill the empty spaces, where waves of hunger roar?
Shall we set out across the sea of faces in search of more and more applause?
Shall we buy a new guitar? Shall we drive a more powerful car?
Quote
Old 31 Jan 2018, 01:08 (Ref:3797030)   #1203
E.B
Veteran
 
E.B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Australia
About 7kms East of Albert Park Melbourne
Posts: 1,794
E.B should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridE.B should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridE.B should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillibowl View Post
true true...encouraging though to see that a splash of colour can soften the look if it.
Not to mention clever use of lighting to minimise its presence in the (teaser) photos I have seen to date.
E.B is offline  
__________________
"The unfortunate thing about the changes coming in next year is that they are all restrictions" : Adrian Newey.
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 14:15 (Ref:3799897)   #1204
bjohnsonsmith
Race Official
Veteran
 
bjohnsonsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United States
London, England
Posts: 16,886
bjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
IndyCar tested the Shield or aeroscreen, as they call it, at Phoenix on Thursday and it was in marked contrast to Vettel's three or so laps round Silverstone last year. F1 and the FIA really didn't attempt to test it properly, which they should have, considering the importance of driver safety.

http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/14...irst-step-frye
bjohnsonsmith is online now  
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying."
Colin Chapman.
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 15:55 (Ref:3799950)   #1205
chillibowl
Veteran
 
chillibowl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Canada
winnipeg, canada
Posts: 5,985
chillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famechillibowl will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
good to see that he suggests that there were no problems with the 'optics' (which i assume means visibility/blurriness issues). stark contrast to the problems Vettel reported with the quickly abandoned Ferrari solution.

interesting about the reduced airflow and increased heat in the cockpit and need for better ventilation...cant say i have heard that issue raised before...but thats what real world test are all about.
chillibowl is online now  
__________________
What shall we use to fill the empty spaces, where waves of hunger roar?
Shall we set out across the sea of faces in search of more and more applause?
Shall we buy a new guitar? Shall we drive a more powerful car?
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 16:10 (Ref:3799956)   #1206
S griffin
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 5,682
S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!S griffin has a real shot at the podium!
This is because they gave it a proper test, rather than Ď3 laps around Silverstoneí
S griffin is offline  
__________________
He who dares wins!
He who hesitates is lost!
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 16:29 (Ref:3799960)   #1207
Richard Casto
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Richard Casto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
United States
Durham, NC, USA
Posts: 2,713
Richard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith View Post
IndyCar tested the Shield or aeroscreen, as they call it, at Phoenix on Thursday and it was in marked contrast to Vettel's three or so laps round Silverstone last year. F1 and the FIA really didn't attempt to test it properly, which they should have, considering the importance of driver safety.

http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/14...irst-step-frye
Positive step forward. If the IndyCar solution proves successful and effective, I wonder if F1 will continue to insist on their own solution vs. looking elsewhere for effective solutions that might be better.

Richard

PS: I can't help but to continue to dig at Vettel and his "dizzy" comment. If they can look through a sharply curved helmet visor without issue, I expect a curved windscreen can be made to have correct optical qualities.
Richard Casto is offline  
__________________
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 16:46 (Ref:3799972)   #1208
bella
Race Official
Veteran
 
bella's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
France
Posts: 15,425
bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!
i think they probably could have done with more than one drivers opinion on the shield in the first place.

makes me wonder who owns the companies responsible for making the halos. aren’t there only a few able/permitted to produce them?

eta: video from in-car during the screen test. see for yourself....

http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/14...test-visor-cam

Last edited by bella; 9 Feb 2018 at 17:02.
bella is offline  
__________________
devils advocate in-chief and professional arguer of both sides
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 17:20 (Ref:3799982)   #1209
Mike Bell
Race Official
Veteran
 
Mike Bell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
England
Attleborough- 5 minutes from Snet!
Posts: 10,838
Mike Bell has a real shot at the podium!Mike Bell has a real shot at the podium!Mike Bell has a real shot at the podium!Mike Bell has a real shot at the podium!Mike Bell has a real shot at the podium!
Looks OK with a clean screen, but I wonder how it will be affected by oil, insects and dirt during a race? I canít see how driver removed tear-offs could be utilised, they could only be removed in pit stops.

BTW Iím not anti- just thinking practically...... I hate the halo!
Mike Bell is online now  
__________________
Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere. (Einstein)
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 17:42 (Ref:3799993)   #1210
Mike Harte
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Mike Harte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
United Kingdom
W. Yorkshire
Posts: 2,772
Mike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridMike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridMike Harte should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Bell View Post
Looks OK with a clean screen, but I wonder how it will be affected by oil, insects and dirt during a race? I canít see how driver removed tear-offs could be utilised, they could only be removed in pit stops.

BTW Iím not anti- just thinking practically...... I hate the halo!
Same as Sports and GTs; pit crew remove during pit stops. Don't forget that the cars often do pit-stops far more often than an Endurance racer, so more opportunities to remove the tear-offs.
Mike Harte is offline  
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 18:06 (Ref:3799999)   #1211
bella
Race Official
Veteran
 
bella's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
France
Posts: 15,425
bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!bella is the undisputed Champion of the World!
to be fair there's normally a bit more time in an endurance pitstop to deal with a windscreen tear-off, but i'm sure they'd figure out an incredibly quick way of removing them from the screen on a single seater.
bella is offline  
__________________
devils advocate in-chief and professional arguer of both sides
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 18:13 (Ref:3800004)   #1212
Sodemo
Veteran
 
Sodemo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
United Kingdom
Solihull, West Mids, UK
Posts: 9,807
Sodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSodemo should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
The FIA probably has shares in the company responsible for making the Halo.
Sodemo is offline  
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 18:28 (Ref:3800014)   #1213
Richard Casto
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Richard Casto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
United States
Durham, NC, USA
Posts: 2,713
Richard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameRichard Casto will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Bell View Post
Looks OK with a clean screen, but I wonder how it will be affected by oil, insects and dirt during a race?
Overall, I suspect it will be a non-issue, but we will see how it plays out in IndyCar.

I don't know how long IndyCar pit stops last. I assume longer than F1 as there probably is more of a limit to the amount of crew over the wall (I have no idea, someone correct me if wrong). So the few seconds it takes to grab the tab on a tear off and pull it off should not impact IndyCar pitstop time. For F1, I expect it would impact it a bit more, but everyone will be in the same boat.

Richard
Richard Casto is offline  
__________________
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 19:05 (Ref:3800034)   #1214
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 7,117
Akrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameAkrapovic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Hey look, windscreens work! Who'd have thought?
Akrapovic is online now  
Quote
Old 9 Feb 2018, 19:18 (Ref:3800037)   #1215
bjohnsonsmith
Race Official
Veteran
 
bjohnsonsmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United States
London, England
Posts: 16,886
bjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Famebjohnsonsmith will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Casto View Post
Overall, I suspect it will be a non-issue, but we will see how it plays out in IndyCar.

I don't know how long IndyCar pit stops last. I assume longer than F1 as there probably is more of a limit to the amount of crew over the wall (I have no idea, someone correct me if wrong). So the few seconds it takes to grab the tab on a tear off and pull it off should not impact IndyCar pitstop time. For F1, I expect it would impact it a bit more, but everyone will be in the same boat.

Richard
The average IndyCar stop is about 8 seconds and only a crew of 6 is allowed over the wall. If the aeroscreen is accepted by IndyCar, a seventh crew member could be designated to either clean the aeroscreen or pull the tear-offs off.
bjohnsonsmith is online now  
__________________
"If you're not winning you're not trying."
Colin Chapman.
Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Closed cockpits gttouring Sportscar & GT Racing 5 27 Mar 2003 22:59
FIA to introduce a 'spy' into F1 cockpits Super Tourer Formula One 25 12 Feb 2003 14:29
A step closer to reality... Gt_R Formula One 4 20 Dec 2000 07:47
Open v. Closed Cockpits...Why? Heeltoe6 Sportscar & GT Racing 4 8 Jun 2000 08:04


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 13:34.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2018 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.