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28 Aug 2004, 03:39 (Ref:1079699)
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Courage C65 question
Everytime i see one listed it has an AER engine.
Is this a derivitive of the Lola MG engine, or a completely new unit? I have noticed its a little more reliable, so I figure its new, and if its not, then it must be the Lola chassis causing the problems... Any insight? |
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28 Aug 2004, 03:51 (Ref:1079702)
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its identical to the AER that was in the MG's. Identical sound too (Dyson MG's have same sound as the Courage C65 AER's)
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28 Aug 2004, 04:42 (Ref:1079710)
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AER have done lots of development in recent times.But is the engine running with the same power inLMP2? The Dyson Lola is runing in a different class LMP 1/675 .
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28 Aug 2004, 08:21 (Ref:1079780)
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No, the LMP2 AER is running around 40-50 hp more than the LMP675 AER due to the larger resstrictors allowed for the LMP2 category
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28 Aug 2004, 17:09 (Ref:1080020)
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A very powerful power unit but its achilles heel has always been the starternator. Various duckting and cooling methods have been tried over the years.
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28 Aug 2004, 18:39 (Ref:1080104)
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it seems as if the Courage handles it a bit better...and obviously Miracle was not tapping its full potential!!
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29 Aug 2004, 05:07 (Ref:1080347)
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Starternator? I thought Dyson had that one hacked out of the car last year?but anyway the still suffer those periferial failures in the electrics and spontanous inflammation......
With the Exhaustfailures of their last race ,they putting forward the idea of contact to a suspension piece under full bump ,Ijust shake my head in disbelief. |
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29 Aug 2004, 05:13 (Ref:1080349)
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ah yes the AER engine in the courage.
AER state that the engine is potentially more powerful with the larger restrictor but is effectively detuned to give the transmission a half chance to survive. |
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29 Aug 2004, 15:33 (Ref:1080646)
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The engine also breifly held the "Rover" badge when it was tested initally in the then 675 spec Courage C60 but its the same striaght four turbo.
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30 Aug 2004, 23:28 (Ref:1081972)
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The MG EX257 or Lola B01/60 chassis is just so tightly packaged at the back of the car, it's not that surprising to see it catch fire and be so hard to repair when it breaks down. Just look at the "potato in an oven" packaging of the turbo/wastegate and you'll know you can't repair it fast. The Courage has always had a large open area at the back of the car, enabling you to fit a Judd or single and twin turbocharged units. Even the Audis and Bentleys package their enormously complicated twin-turbo V8 in a much "simplier" way... The AER's turbocharger in the Courage is fitted at the end of an acceptably long and straight exhaust tube, placing it far enough for the block and the unnaccesible center of the car.
A simpler car is easier to get up to speed with; just remember how the seemingly low-tech factory C60 Judd had the edge on the De Cortanze modified Pescarolo C60. It was not so much about full speed than about consistancy and a good place after 24 hours but also in qualifying (the stock C60 aerodynamics seemed to work as well as the tortured De Cortanze package although you can't really tell with the underpowered Peugeot unit). The Pesca version surely has more ultimate potential, with aerodynamics that certainly work well in windtunnel, but it's taken lots of time to unleash a satisfying part of this potential. Most sportscar teams don't have F1 or other ultra high-tech background: that's why Riley&Scotts are quite fast out of the box when compared to Lolas working relatively well only in the hands of teams like DAMS, Dyson (remember their B98/10 test) or sometimes Rafanelli. That should be kept in mind when designing a sports car, even more so when the next generation of sportscars is being designed with the american market in mind (teams that come from touring cars and small formulas like Star Mazda, not F3 or high-tech tourers). |
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30 Aug 2004, 23:55 (Ref:1081988)
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beautiful post, do you have connections to these cars, or just study them well?
I didnt know too much about the Courage's, but know that the MG Lolas are way too cramped... Even the little judd V8 is cramped in those cars... |
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31 Aug 2004, 00:33 (Ref:1081999)
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No connection, altough I'd love to. I've seen the Lola at TR in 2002, and haven't been back to any race since. I'd give a lot to live near Laguna Seca and Fontana with the ALMS finale and JGTC cars coming, but I have to settle for whatever I can find on the net. Working on racecars someday is just my dream, and it's also what should motivate me to get through university and all...
Road America C65 pics on Racefanatics.com : http://www.racingfanatics.com/Road%2...%20gallery.htm http://www.racingfanatics.com/MS04ALMSRdAm%200017.JPG |
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