NASCAR Cup Round #16: Toyota / Save Mart 350(k); Sonoma

fieldodreams79 · 21 Jun 2012, 12:21 (Ref:3095923)

Road Racing

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Road Racers entered:
Boris, Tomy Drissi, Brian Simo, Robby Gordon and I guess Scott Speed and Brian Vickers can now be considered "ringers".

Boris guaranteed to start. Wonder if he'll find Greg Bifle's Motor Coach sometime this weekend give him a suplex.

Paradise City · 21 Jun 2012, 13:05 (Ref:3095934)

Tony Stewart and Ambrose should be strong. Gordon might be somewhere in the mix, Montoya too. Said and Gordon might break the top 15. I'm not sure about the other ringers.

**gomick** · 22 Jun 2012, 08:20 (Ref:3096276)

Be really good for the championship if Ambrose wins

Downoz · 22 Jun 2012, 09:54 (Ref:3096313)

Yes and then he wins Watkins Glen, no one else between 10 and 20 win 2 races and he is in the chase. A lot of ifs, but, ya never know. Does anyone know if there is any coverage of practice, TV or stream.

**FIRE** · 22 Jun 2012, 16:46 (Ref:3096474)

Go Ambrose!!!

**gomick** · 22 Jun 2012, 21:32 (Ref:3096596)

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Originally Posted by Downoz

Yes and then he wins Watkins Glen, no one else between 10 and 20 win 2 races and he is in the chase. A lot of ifs, but, ya never know. Does anyone know if there is any coverage of practice, TV or stream.

Qualifying on Foxtel today around 12...

**GTRMagic** · 22 Jun 2012, 23:41 (Ref:3096622)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Go Ambrose!!!

He will likely qualify a little ways back and just out race his peers.. if all goes well... a win is not impossible..

peckstar · 23 Jun 2012, 01:46 (Ref:3096635)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

He will likely qualify a little ways back and just out race his peers.. if all goes well... a win is not impossible..

well you were wrong with the first part

but i sure hope you are right with the 2nd part

**gomick** · 23 Jun 2012, 04:15 (Ref:3096647)

Very smooth lap it was, fingers crossed he just demoralizes the opposition & the battle for 2nd is magnificent

bluesport · 23 Jun 2012, 09:33 (Ref:3096705)

Race is on 1HD at 6am-8.30am Monday in Sydney.

fieldodreams79 · 23 Jun 2012, 13:20 (Ref:3096779)

Most assuredly, that is step 1 for Taz towards the winners circle...however, as we have seen, anything can happen.

John Paul is within striking distance and having Jeffey G, JJ and the Busch sisters starting not too far behind should worry Tasmanian Terror.

Surprised Robby Gordon had such a poor q-ing run; is his piece not worth a damn or is Robby not?

HJJ · 24 Jun 2012, 14:16 (Ref:3097160)

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Biffle-Said, still feuding? The feud between #16-Greg Biffle and #32-Boris Said apparently hasn't abated. After a collision at Watkins Glen late last season, the two skirmished in the garage area, prompting Said to call Biffle "the most unprofessional scaredy cat I've ever seen. He wouldn't fight me like a man, so if someone texts me his address, I'll go see him and show him what he really needs. He needs a whooping, and I'm going to give it to him." With the two men back in the same race, Biffle said Friday they haven't patched their differences. "We talked on the phone, and it is what it is," he said.(San Francisco Chronicle)(6-23-2012)

Oh, please let them get into it today. C'mon, Boris take out "The Biff"!

**gomick** · 25 Jun 2012, 00:36 (Ref:3097530)

Great drive by Clint Bowyer

& Kurt Busch - MWR deserved a race win... Ambrose, dunno, what was wrong - maybe you are better on the ovals these days

JHamilton · 25 Jun 2012, 00:45 (Ref:3097533)

I thought this race was a bit of a snooze... in fact, i took one.

Paradise City · 25 Jun 2012, 00:56 (Ref:3097535)

Vickers performed well and needs a full time ride. I enjoyed the Busch charge towards the end. The so-called ringers aren't all they are cracked up to be this year. No, it wasn't a classic, lack of yellows was probably responsible.

On the subject of Ambrose, having slumped down the order the kiddies hospital doesn't get their million? Fair game toying with mind of a fan

but to raise the hopes of a kiddies hospital is a bit below the belt, IMO.

**gomick** · 25 Jun 2012, 03:03 (Ref:3097553)

Are you serious? How many charities & hospital visits do these drivers & sports stars do!

bluesport · 25 Jun 2012, 03:56 (Ref:3097561)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

I thought this race was a bit of a snooze... in fact, i took one.

It was a tyre preservation race.......drive conservatively and look after the black things that are on the road, with few safety cars to close things up until near the end.

Ambrose was chasing set-up right till the end and they only seemed to make it worse.

Beetle · 25 Jun 2012, 04:41 (Ref:3097569)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

It was a tyre preservation race.......drive conservatively and look after the black things that are on the road, with few safety cars to close things up until near the end.

Ambrose was chasing set-up right till the end and they only seemed to make it worse.

I felt really let down at the end of that race. Something just wasn't in it this year. To make matters worse, I lost $20 to my Dad on Ambrose for the top 3.

It really was boring compared to the Nationwide race at Road America. I love that track! The only thing I was happy about was the last lap pass Tony Stewart pulled on Kurt Busch! But you must say, despite him being a royal pain in the a$$, he did pretty darn well on both road races, especially at Road America where he only had 3 laps before the race!

Axeman444 · 25 Jun 2012, 05:35 (Ref:3097576)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

He will likely qualify a little ways back and just out race his peers.. if all goes well... a win is not impossible..

double kiss of death!!!

St00ge · 25 Jun 2012, 05:47 (Ref:3097577)

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Originally Posted by bluesport

It was a tyre preservation race.......drive conservatively and look after the black things that are on the road, with few safety cars to close things up until near the end.

Ambrose was chasing set-up right till the end and they only seemed to make it worse.

also trying to save fuel for just 2 stops..

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Yeah don't know what happened for Ambrose, never had the car to do anything with at least he still finished 8th . Real shame as I was hoping he could boost his wild card chances this morning..

The Original Instag8or · 25 Jun 2012, 15:56 (Ref:3097847)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Road Racers entered:
Boris, Tomy Drissi, Brian Simo, Robby Gordon and I guess Scott Speed and Brian Vickers can now be considered "ringers".

Back in the days of full Trans Am fields, Boris was usually a tick behind teh top teams, while Drissi and Simo were a bit behind him. Seeing as none of these guys are winning much of anything these days, I don't count them as "ringers" in anything. It would be like calling Eric McLure an "oval ringer". They buy their rides in underwhelming Cup teams and fill the field I guess.

If I were to hire a "road ringer", after watching Ambrose do so well in NASCAR, the ringers would be Australian...

Whincup
Loundes
a Kelly Brother
Van Geisbergen
Slade
Winterbottom
Davidson

Any of the V8 Supercar drivers could outperform Simo and Drissi.

Beetle · 25 Jun 2012, 16:33 (Ref:3097865)

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Originally Posted by The Original Instag8or

Back in the days of full Trans Am fields, Boris was usually a tick behind teh top teams, while Drissi and Simo were a bit behind him. Seeing as none of these guys are winning much of anything these days, I don't count them as "ringers" in anything. It would be like calling Eric McLure an "oval ringer". They buy their rides in underwhelming Cup teams and fill the field I guess.

If I were to hire a "road ringer", after watching Ambrose do so well in NASCAR, the ringers would be Australian...

Whincup
Loundes
a Kelly Brother
Van Geisbergen
Slade
Winterbottom
Davidson

Any of the V8 Supercar drivers could outperform Simo and Drissi.

Agreed. Only problem is that I am a friend of Drissi on Facebook, so I am biased.

But seriously, Boris used to be right up there, but what happened to him? Ron Fellows still seems to have his shine, but Boris... no. I don't know why Brian Simo or Drissi are considered road course ringers in the first place. Drissi is a pretty good show in GT cars, but hasn't seemed to adapt well to NASCAR.

Like you said, if I were to hire a "road course ringer" for a cup race, he would be Australian or Kiwi.

fieldodreams79 · 26 Jun 2012, 01:03 (Ref:3098149)

Fine, I'll just call them "fill in road racers" from now on, if it's all the same. Sorry for having a term stuck in my mind from yesteryear, but the percentage of regular Cup racers that can win a roadrace has expanded, obviously, with dirttrack racer from Kansas winning on the roadcourse.

Ambrose has been in a NASCAR for over 5 years, 2 of which were spent driving anything but a Cup car, gaining great experience along the way. Simply sticking someone into a car for a one off because they drive well in a car on another continent with the wheel on the wrong side doesn't mean it would translate to success in a Cup car. Even when Ron and Boris had great cars 10 years ago, they never had the strategy or the pit stops to get a victory out of it.

When was the last time a "ringer" won; 73 with Donohue?

Beetle · 26 Jun 2012, 01:27 (Ref:3098153)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Fine, I'll just call them "fill in road racers" from now on, if it's all the same. Sorry for having a term stuck in my mind from yesteryear, but the percentage of regular Cup racers that can win a roadrace has expanded, obviously, with dirttrack racer from Kansas winning on the roadcourse.

Ambrose has been in a NASCAR for over 5 years, 2 of which were spent driving anything but a Cup car, gaining great experience along the way. Simply sticking someone into a car for a one off because they drive well in a car on another continent with the wheel on the wrong side doesn't mean it would translate to success in a Cup car. Even when Ron and Boris had great cars 10 years ago, they never had the strategy or the pit stops to get a victory out of it.

When was the last time a "ringer" won; 73 with Donohue?

Now I can tell you are from the "Dirty South".

Axeman444 · 26 Jun 2012, 02:08 (Ref:3098166)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Ambrose has been in a NASCAR for over 5 years, 2 of which were spent driving anything but a Cup car, gaining great experience along the way. Simply sticking someone into a car for a one off because they drive well in a car on another continent with the wheel on the wrong side doesn't mean it would translate to success in a Cup car

agreed 150 million percent

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