BTCC Round Five, Croft 25-26 Jun, Races 13,14&15 - Page 6

crmalcolm · 25 Jun 2022, 16:49 (Ref:4116921)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

He means it's likely to get cut down tomorrow starting so far back.

Rather tiresome seeing you go after him on his every post.....

Not trying to 'go after' - just wondering what I might have missed that makes a 15 point lead 'go out in smoke' based on qualifying 20th?

Cook qualified 10th at Oulton (another circuit claimed to be RWD-friendly) and his lead only dropped by nine points over the weekend.

I'll admit, it would not be a surprised to see a different championship leader after this weekend, but there are plenty of cars on the grid that could challenge for resulted - meaning a big swing in points is not that certain.

porsche962fan · 25 Jun 2022, 17:23 (Ref:4116922)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Not trying to 'go after' - just wondering what I might have missed that makes a 15 point lead 'go out in smoke' based on qualifying 20th?

Cook qualified 10th at Oulton (another circuit claimed to be RWD-friendly) and his lead only dropped by nine points over the weekend.

I'll admit, it would not be a surprised to see a different championship leader after this weekend, but there are plenty of cars on the grid that could challenge for resulted - meaning a big swing in points is not that certain.

Cook is 20th with no boost

all his main rivals are ahead of him on the grid , one on pole and his biggest threat IMO on 2nd row (Tingram)

at the very least his lead will be slashed to just a few points but would be no surprise if we have a different championship leader after this

houston · 25 Jun 2022, 17:27 (Ref:4116923)

No penalties for Turkingon's car not moving under it's own steam following post qualifying checks then?

crmalcolm · 25 Jun 2022, 17:33 (Ref:4116924)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

Cook is 20th with no boost

all his main rivals are ahead of him on the grid , one on pole and his biggest threat IMO on 2nd row (Tingram)

at the very least his lead will be slashed to just a few points but would be no surprise if we have a different championship leader after this

True - but at this stage I think it is too early to jump to conclusions.

We have seen how a lack of boost can make little difference to a result (Cook had no boost going into Oulton Park).
And his rivals being ahead of him will take points off each other potentially too.

As you say - a new leader would not be a surprise. But I still think Cook will be leading the championship after this weekend.
My prediction - a nine point lead for Cook over Turkington. Ingram a further three points back.

crmalcolm · 25 Jun 2022, 17:48 (Ref:4116926)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

My prediction - a nine point lead for Cook over Turkington. Ingram a further three points back.

Just to expand on why I think this is a realistic proposition.

Cook could get up to (say) 13th in Race One.
A further move up to (say) 10th in Race Two.
Race Three (reverse grid) could see him get a 3rd place.

3+6+15 points in addition to his 29 points over Turkington currently and he is 53 points ahead of Turkington.
If Turkington gets two wins, then even with his bonus points he still needs 10 points from the 3rd race to catch Cook.

Likewise, assuming the same points for Cook, then if Ingram got three 4th place finishes they are level.

As I say - I don't think 20th prior to race one is that bad, when there is the 3rd race reverse grid in play.
20th after race one, and the weekend looks different (which could easily happen to Ingram or Turkington).

mick bennett · 25 Jun 2022, 18:41 (Ref:4116934)

Cook was nowhere at Oulton park in the first two races. After the accident in race 3 he then inherited a lucky 3rd place. All the other main contenders where either out or at the back of the field at the end of the race.

Cook might be lucky to get a Tenth in the first race at best. BTC appear to have problems on all three cars at the present time.

crmalcolm · 25 Jun 2022, 20:35 (Ref:4116942)

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Originally Posted by mick bennett

Cook was nowhere at Oulton park in the first two races. After the accident in race 3 he then inherited a lucky 3rd place. All the other main contenders where either out or at the back of the field at the end of the race.

Cook might be lucky to get a Tenth in the first race at best. BTC appear to have problems on all three cars at the present time.

By nowhere, you mean 8th and 7th, moving forward in each race.

I'm suggesting 13th and 10th on a track that has more overtaking potential.

hen henths · 25 Jun 2022, 22:53 (Ref:4116946)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

My prediction - a nine point lead for Cook over Turkington. Ingram a further three points back.

Are you predicting Sutton will no longer be in the top three?

crmalcolm · 25 Jun 2022, 23:15 (Ref:4116947)

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Originally Posted by hen henths

Are you predicting Sutton will no longer be in the top three?

Yes, but still close.

S griffin · 26 Jun 2022, 07:20 (Ref:4116961)

What a comeback from Colin from his Oulton smash in an old car to take pole and good to see Lloyd up there. Real shocker from Cookie there, way down the grid

crmalcolm · 26 Jun 2022, 08:54 (Ref:4116973)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

all his main rivals are ahead of him on the grid , one on pole and his biggest threat IMO on 2nd row (Tingram)

Just looking back on this situation - a further reason why I think that Cook's situation is not as bad as some are making out.

Compare to Oulton Park - Cook went into that weekend leading the championship.
The drivers in 2,3,4,6,7,8,9 and 10 in championship positions all qualified ahead of him in the top nine. The only driver outside of the top ten in the championship who didn't qualify in the top ten of the grid was Hill.

This qualifying, the drivers in 7,8 and 10 have all qualified outside of the top ten of the grid.

Heavyd123 · 26 Jun 2022, 09:12 (Ref:4116974)

Think it’s only a matter of time until the Hyundais get the same boost treatment as btc racing have had…

I thought the ford focus development would be a bit a bit further ahead by mow aswell!

mick bennett · 26 Jun 2022, 09:28 (Ref:4116976)

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Originally Posted by houston

No penalties for Turkingon's car not moving under it's own steam following post qualifying checks then?

https://www.btcc.net/wp-content/uplo...ations_V2_.pdf

He is breach of

1.10.2.f.The car will then be pushed clear of the weighing area and when stationary the driver will be
instructed byaBTCC Technical Commissioner and/or BTCC Eligibility Scrutineer when to start the
engine using only energy stored on board.Any failure will be notified to the driverand team by
way of communication from aBTCCofficial.

Does'nt say what the BTCC official does at that point ???

Further on it says all times disallowed ? I wonder !!

mick bennett · 26 Jun 2022, 09:31 (Ref:4116977)

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Originally Posted by crmalcolm

By nowhere, you mean 8th and 7th, moving forward in each race.

I'm suggesting 13th and 10th on a track that has more overtaking potential.

He actually said himself the car was'nt running that well at the time .

Evantra · 26 Jun 2022, 10:42 (Ref:4116982)

Two rounds of Porsche Sprint... yippee.

crmalcolm · 26 Jun 2022, 10:52 (Ref:4116983)

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Originally Posted by Heavyd123

Think it’s only a matter of time until the Hyundais get the same boost treatment as btc racing have had…

When did the BTC cars get a boost treatment?
I'm guessing it was applied to all M-Sport cars?

crmalcolm · 26 Jun 2022, 10:53 (Ref:4116984)

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Originally Posted by mick bennett

He actually said himself the car was'nt running that well at the time .

Do you mean at Oulton Park, or during qualifying?

Evantra · 26 Jun 2022, 11:40 (Ref:4116985)

Ah amazing from Lloyd, really deserved that!

Gornall in the points too!

mark_l · 26 Jun 2022, 11:40 (Ref:4116986)

Well race one was dull.

porsche962fan · 26 Jun 2022, 11:43 (Ref:4116989)

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Originally Posted by mark_l

Well race one was dull.

they nearly always are

abnd it already happened! Cook leads just by 2 poins for Tingram and 9 from Sutton

Matt K · 26 Jun 2022, 11:50 (Ref:4116990)

Amazing turnaround for Lloyd, bet it's an extremely popular win. I cheered for Colin (that battle in the end was entertaining!) but very happy for Dan. Hopefully he can now safely finish the season.

But slowly I understand those who say race after race that BTCC's become somewhat boring this year. I mean, boring is too strong a word but it's not as action-packed as it used to be. On the other hand, the best drivers are usually somewhere up there, which I like, and there's no artificial stuff of option tyre and weights.

porsche962fan · 26 Jun 2022, 12:02 (Ref:4116995)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

But slowly I understand those who say race after race that BTCC's become somewhat boring this year.

it's from a couple of season like that

if you watch some season review from the 00s or early 10s (nevermind the 90s) you notice how much more action there was

I think it comes down from the vocal crowed who was moaning about driving standards but now that they clamped down on that the racing action suffers as result

Evantra · 26 Jun 2022, 12:04 (Ref:4116996)

Wow, incredibly amateur there at the hairpin from the Porsches. Not sure why the grid of 11 cars is the one they want to show two races of... (obviously there are other reasons)

sceptic · 26 Jun 2022, 12:50 (Ref:4116998)

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Originally Posted by houston

No penalties for Turkingon's car not moving under it's own steam following post qualifying checks then?

No. If the car is called in to be checked during the session and can't drive off the weighbridge under its own steam it will be penalised, but once the session is over, there's no requirement for the car to be able to drive away on its own.

sceptic · 26 Jun 2022, 12:51 (Ref:4116999)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Wow, incredibly amateur there at the hairpin from the Porsches. Not sure why the grid of 11 cars is the one they want to show two races of... (obviously there are other reasons)

Racing incident in my view.
And you only need two cars to make a race. This Cayman race was no less exciting than the BTCC race.

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