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27 Jun 2022, 10:08 (Ref:4117172) | #201 | ||
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I don't think that I have seen mention here of Chilton's move on Sutton resulting in Sutton having to have work done on his car in the pits. When my son and I got back from Croft, he found a clip that showed that Sutton gave him plenty of room but Chilton moved right over and clipped the off side rear wheel causing the damage.
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27 Jun 2022, 10:12 (Ref:4117173) | #202 | ||
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I personally think the racing was better with S2000 regs.
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27 Jun 2022, 10:53 (Ref:4117179) | #203 | ||
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Like I say though it's BTC's problem as other cars with the same engine aren't having the issue. |
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27 Jun 2022, 11:14 (Ref:4117181) | #204 | ||
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I meant to say earlier, that we noticed that on the whole the driving standards, from what we could see at the chicane, was that it was vastly improved on last years antics. Only one or possibly two cars touched the tyre stacks, and they didn't need to be put back into position after each race, although there was far more cars driving straight through bypassing the chicane which I thought ought to be addressed by making the errant cars have to slow down as they do at Oulton for example.
That would stop too many drivers attempting to go two or three wide through the chicane, although on at least one occasion two cars made it through unscathed as they gave each other respect and therefore proper racing room. Oh, and to add, they didn't remove the tyre stacks for the F4s this year, and they all managed to navigate it although I think something happened a little was after they went through which caused the red flag. |
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27 Jun 2022, 11:28 (Ref:4117182) | #205 | |
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The last season I remember driving standards being so bad was 2012. Then in 2013 they thankfully improved and have improved gradually each season, so that we don’t see any push to pass anymore. I used to cringe a lot at that, now I can trust the drivers not to do that. Of course we still get the occasional meeting where driving standards go down, like Oulton last year, but overall driving standards are top notch
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27 Jun 2022, 11:37 (Ref:4117185) | #206 | |
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It was mentioned during qualifying that the tyre stacks had been put in a slightly different position this year. They had been moved back a little away from the edge of the track to give drivers more of a margin of error.
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27 Jun 2022, 12:56 (Ref:4117194) | #207 | ||
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Going back to qualifying, it has to be remembered that drivers go into qualifying with championship boost.
If that genuinely affects the pace, then you are hindered in your starting position for races 1&2. Cook's best was only good enough for 20th. If his 2nd best was similar in comparison, then no matter how far up the field he made it in R1, he'd be bumped back down again. What if a team struggle to get a time in during qualifying, or have a mechanical issue or early session incident. They've lost all chance of a decent R1 or R2 result. |
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27 Jun 2022, 14:29 (Ref:4117202) | #208 | |
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2006-2009 were awesome seasons actually recently watched some of the season reviews for those and bloody awesome grids and racing not the sh1t we have today Last edited by porsche962fan; 27 Jun 2022 at 14:46. |
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27 Jun 2022, 15:19 (Ref:4117214) | #209 | ||
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As for the second part of your post, I think a better solution (than taking 2nd best time for R2) would be to have two separate quali sessions. This could possibly decrease the risk you talk about (and if someone is unable to start in the second session then, well, that's part of it) and also could mix up the order nicely. AussieSupercars for exampl show that you can have two quali sessions on the same day and results can still vary quite significantly - BTCC would be no exception with the closeness of the grid. I think it'd serve the purpose. |
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27 Jun 2022, 15:40 (Ref:4117223) | #212 | ||
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For next year I would like to see the return of the option tyre, a return of success ballast but altered so there is ballast in qualifying and race two only and nothing in races one and three, and the hybrid available for all drivers for 15 seconds per lap, maybe only on half the laps so it can have an effect on the racing if it is more powerful next year, but is no longer used for performance balancing. I think that will get the BTCC back to 2016-19 level of excitement without a return to poor driving standards. Although I will miss Plato and Neal. |
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27 Jun 2022, 15:41 (Ref:4117224) | #213 | ||
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Then accept it as it is, because just just carping on it on these pages and criticising how TOCA goes about it's business is really just wasting bandwidth - Alan Gow is never going to change things to the way that you want things in a year of Sundays. As has just been said, instead of getting frustrated about "how bad it is" find something else to occupy your time rather that just posting negative comments so much. That is why I stopped watching F1, because I no longer found it enjoyable as a pastime and now other things that give me enjoyment take up the time that I would have spent on something that I no longer found to be to my liking. No doubt I'll be slapped down for the above comments, but I've got a broad back. |
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27 Jun 2022, 15:55 (Ref:4117226) | #214 | ||
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this defeatist mindset to "accept" an inferior product is the main reason while the quality of many products has gone down the hill over the decades |
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27 Jun 2022, 16:00 (Ref:4117228) | #215 | ||
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So can we assume that you have written or spoken to Alan Gow about how rubbish his product is, then? I would love to see what his reply was. Oh, and I think that you answer was a load of "crap" to use your analogy; the answer to a poor product is to talk/vote with your feet i.e to walk away. If you don't like the product, you don't buy it; you choose another one. Last edited by Mike Harte; 27 Jun 2022 at 16:17. |
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27 Jun 2022, 16:08 (Ref:4117232) | #217 | |
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don't know Gow in real life but I would bet that huge EGO would never allow to admit the elephant in the room
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yes but guess what , usually the major companies in any given sector make hidden deals with eachother which are bad for consumers
otherwise how do you think there aren't any lightballs which could last easy 10+ years or shavers which could last easy 2+ years |
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27 Jun 2022, 16:23 (Ref:4117236) | #220 | ||
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Wasn't the massive blue one on the hill at bend 2 by any chance? Walked past that early doors and just rolled my eyes. People weren't even sitting inside it was being used like a kitchen/dining room. Absolutely bizzare. |
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What I found annoying was the number of people that had the mini tents, not because they were obstructing the view per se, but they take up very valuable space where other spectators could stand/sit. We also thought that the attendance was much greater this year. We arrived about 20 minutes later (before 8.30) this year than last, and we were surprised at how many people were already there, as opposed to last year when we were one of the earliest arrivals. However, we plonked our chairs in exactly the same spot as last year, luckily it was one of the only front row spots still available on the narrow banking directly overlooking the tyre stack at the chicane, and unlike last year, people formed a 2nd row behind all of us. Also found, as usual at Croft, people are all pleasant and no rowdy behaviour anywhere near us. As someone else mentioned a couple of pages back, the popping and banging when they were changing gear of so many of the different classes of cars was rather unpleasant and somewhat tiring after a while. I would imagine it was something to do with the turbo operation. The F4s produced a better sound this year, and more like a racing engine because they had been much quieter in the past. |
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I go and see my local round most years and whilst it is a very long way from my core interest(I like far greater diversity in racing ) there is no denying that Alan Gow has done an amazing job , and has done so for many years. Filling a big grid with many premier league drivers and serious teams like West Surrey is a hell of a feat , and some of the sneering on this thread bemuses me. Cars not quick ? They are outrageously quick for heavy, relatively low powered saloons. I was at a Croft Time Attack meeting a few years ago where allegedly 800bhp plus cars with huge aero were barely a couple of seconds or so from BTCC cars. But one other thing I forgot to mention was grid girls . I hardly ever watch BTCC on TV so was unaware that the series is still pretending it's 1974 . What a ludicrous and anachronistic spectacle it was to see skimpily clad women tottering around on high heels - does anybody else agree that it is way,way past the time we should stop this silly, old fashioned nonsense ? |
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