2012 Bathurst 12 Hour - 24-26 February - Page 25

Oldtony · 13 Jan 2012, 20:58 (Ref:3011363)

Black Falcon Mercs looking pretty impressive in Dubai so far.
Lambos not quite as quick but looking significantly more reliable than the Ferraris. Scudd or ff care to comment

Have now missed my RV booking due to not making an early enough decision, so will have to pay more if I come.
Richard, even a drip feed on the Website would be better marketing than having the thing hibernate for about 6 weeks. Not brilliant marketing.

Sheep Stations · 13 Jan 2012, 21:34 (Ref:3011387)

Why rattle on just for the sake of it? The event is on, date hasn't changed and other than bringing us time wasters up to date with 'guess what?..Herman the German is coming or Trabant Motorsport are considering a class entry'... what marketing value is there or opportunity to put more bums on seats over the Xmas break?

Those that will be there decided long ago. RC will be sure to keep us informed with relevance.

**GTRMagic** · 13 Jan 2012, 21:47 (Ref:3011389)

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Originally Posted by Sheep Stations

Why rattle on just for the sake of it? The event is on, date hasn't changed and other than bringing us time wasters up to date with 'guess what?..Herman the German is coming or Trabant Motorsport are considering a class entry'... what marketing value is there or opportunity to put more bums on seats over the Xmas break?

Those that will be there decided long ago. RC will be sure to keep us informed with relevance.

The car is ready... its even an EvoII!! Look forward to seeing it at the Mountain

Downoz · 14 Jan 2012, 01:10 (Ref:3011455)

Just watching the Dubai race and I missed the first bit as to if they went under qualifying or nominated time that they received a drive through penalty.

Sounds to me like a 24hr regularity.

Anyone shed any light on this.

porsche91722 · 14 Jan 2012, 02:37 (Ref:3011465)

....."Creventic, the Dutch company that organizes this race, as well as other enduros in the 24H Series, uses a unique BoP system where cars are assigned a target time that they are not allowed to lap faster. If they do, penalties in the form of ballast, fuel capacity changes and ride height adjustments could be issued.

In the race, each team gets ten “joker laps”, where their car can exceed the minimum reference lap established prior to the start. With penalties of increasing severity being issued for violations, it adds an an extra layer of strategy to the race."
taken from this - http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...sday-notebook/

St00ge · 14 Jan 2012, 09:13 (Ref:3011501)

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Originally Posted by Downoz

Just watching the Dubai race and I missed the first bit as to if they went under qualifying or nominated time that they received a drive through penalty.

Sounds to me like a 24hr regularity.

Anyone shed any light on this.

That's the BoP for certain times..

They also have 10 joker laps which they can break out of their nominated time before they get a time penalty...

Kinda makes for bland race as you can't really chase that guy 30sec in front like you would normally in a race, you kinda have to sit on your nominated time and hope they make a mistake... and before all you enduro guys pipe up I get enduro racing but still when the cars have all this pace in reserve it kinda makes it a bit boring to watch and not going to get those great chasing battles that spectators enjoy... I am glad the Bathurst 12hr hasn't done the same with nurfing the race lap times..

Downoz · 14 Jan 2012, 11:58 (Ref:3011557)

Thank you both for that info on Dubai.

Did not matter that much, Mercedes 1.2.3.

R4z3rw33n · 14 Jan 2012, 18:50 (Ref:3011649)

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Originally Posted by St00ge

That's the BoP for certain times..

They also have 10 joker laps which they can break out of their nominated time before they get a time penalty...

Kinda makes for bland race as you can't really chase that guy 30sec in front like you would normally in a race, you kinda have to sit on your nominated time and hope they make a mistake... and before all you enduro guys pipe up I get enduro racing but still when the cars have all this pace in reserve it kinda makes it a bit boring to watch and not going to get those great chasing battles that spectators enjoy... I am glad the Bathurst 12hr hasn't done the same with nurfing the race lap times..

No arguments here.
It's racing - if the driver's not the arbiter of their own pace, what's the point?

Dubai wasn't much more than a 24 hour display of restraint.

TCR · 16 Jan 2012, 01:29 (Ref:3012142)

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Originally Posted by Richard Craill

Exciting news about a certain Gull-winged entry coming Monday... bit of a holdup in confirming everything but it's locked in and will be all confirmed Monday.

Is it Monday yet

Even though the imposed time limit in qualifying and practice is a bit dissapointing, having one in the race would make it farcical. I wouldn't bother going to spectate if this was the case.

Oldtony · 16 Jan 2012, 01:34 (Ref:3012146)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

The car is ready... its even an EvoII!! Look forward to seeing it at the Mountain

Thanks GTA, now we know what TBA as the entry list on the website means.
It is a race fo Formula TraBAnt

**GTRMagic** · 16 Jan 2012, 03:03 (Ref:3012157)

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Originally Posted by Oldtony

Thanks GTA, now we know what TBA as the entry list on the website means.
It is a race fo Formula TraBAnt

Not as pretty look at as an SLS or R8.. but pretty good on tyre economy, set up to be a tricycle and all

nafe! · 16 Jan 2012, 04:34 (Ref:3012168)

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Originally Posted by TCR

Is it Monday yet

Even though the imposed time limit in qualifying and practice is a bit dissapointing, having one in the race would make it farcical. I wouldn't bother going to spectate if this was the case.

I wouldnt attend either if they ever introduced it to the race so i hope the race organisers are listening to the fans opinions.

As it is im now not disapointed at all that i will miss saturdays running and wont worry about trying to make it to future saturdays of the event unless the support card is especially good.

It could have been a very exciting day and therefore also a lucrative day with multiple cars capable of breaking the lap record.

pplater · 16 Jan 2012, 04:52 (Ref:3012169)

My thoughts exactly. While qualifying is largely irrelevant in Endurance racing, the mere principle of all quick drivers taking it easy is a turn-off.

TCR · 16 Jan 2012, 05:04 (Ref:3012170)

Be interesting to know when they decided to impose the minimum time and how they arrived at 2:08.

If it's anything like the Prodsports race at Bathurst this year, they will have considered the slowest cars on the entry list and made the time to suit them, hopefully eliminating the need to send anyone home after qualifying.

I know every entry is important to the promoter, but it does seem a shame though to spoil qualifying for the sake of one or two entries. Perhaps if they specified that all entrants would need a minimum qualifying time of 2:41.00 as part of the regs, then they wouldn't have to impose a time limit, as no one's going to do a sub 2:04 lap.

RedZedMikey · 16 Jan 2012, 06:56 (Ref:3012180)

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Originally Posted by nafe!

... As it is im now not disapointed at all that i will miss saturdays running and wont worry about trying to make it to future saturdays of the event unless the support card is especially good ...

I haven't committed myself to attend yet. Apart from sorting work commitments, I'm also hanging out to see what level of Sports Sedan interest there will be; assuming I do go, I want to know whether the SS field will be ho-hum or not - if it's good, I'll leave Melbourne Friday night and knock off a good portion of the drive to catch 1 or both of the SS event/s on Saturday. The rest of the support events won't entice me.

The other, cheaper + easier option is just to drive up on Saturday.

porsche91722 · 16 Jan 2012, 07:00 (Ref:3012181)

http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/ere...-12-hour-team/

Reload · 16 Jan 2012, 07:20 (Ref:3012183)

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Originally Posted by porsche91722

http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/ere...-12-hour-team/

Good to hear but not exactly the big news that was due.

rich07 · 16 Jan 2012, 07:32 (Ref:3012184)

So only two SLS and no third car for Erebus as had been suggested.

Very strong lineup for the Erebus car. I'll be interested to see how Tim Slade goes in the big Merc. Bleekmolen should be very handy, that Dutchman is versatile in anything he gets behind the wheel of. Only question mark would be Bret Curtis, I know not much of him.

R4z3rw33n · 16 Jan 2012, 08:00 (Ref:3012188)

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Originally Posted by Reload

Good to hear but not exactly the big news that was due.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich07

So only two SLS and no third car for Erebus as had been suggested.

Very strong lineup for the Erebus car. I'll be interested to see how Tim Slade goes in the big Merc. Bleekmolen should be very handy, that Dutchman is versatile in anything he gets behind the wheel of. Only question mark would be Bret Curtis, I know not much of him.

Evidently they weren't able to secure a deal for the third car. Providing these plans (having a third chassis shipped from AMG HQ) were real, they were pretty ambitious.

What's most surprising (to me) is, the original Black Falcon announcement claimed two entries (one with 3x drivers, another with 4x) and, they've opted for the (majority) professional entry to field the larger lineup, with one of the gentleman drivers (Curtis).

This is likely for regulatory reasons (or the result of compromise).
I just figured they'd have lobbied (via AMG/Mercedes) for a younger professional to take the AM seat.

Pretty decent lineup, none the less.

Edit: There's some information concerning Curtis' bio here:
http://www.americanlemans.com/primar...t=driver%7C853

B24 · 16 Jan 2012, 10:07 (Ref:3012218)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

as i said the same rule applied last year except it was in the 2.09's (from memory.)

its purpose is to create parity, and also somewhat for safety purposes.

and B24 pole was:
2002 2.15
2003 2.13.2

Thanks, I must have confused the times with the Aston a few years ago.

DAVID PATERSON · 17 Jan 2012, 03:18 (Ref:3012661)

What are the chances of a quick car getting hit up the arse in qually when the driver looks at his onboard timing monitor and rolls out of the throttle near the end of a hot lap?

**GTRMagic** · 17 Jan 2012, 04:42 (Ref:3012670)

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Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

What are the chances of a quick car getting hit up the arse in qually when the driver looks at his onboard timing monitor and rolls out of the throttle near the end of a hot lap?

Its certainly possible...

...a few years ago, the late Jason Richards was setting hot times at Bathurst in his Tasman Commodore, he was looking to firstly break the 2.07, and secondly Mr Murphy's practice record.. on completion of a fast lap he promptly spun the car at Hell Corner... the pilot said to have been too busy looking at the dashboard to make it round the bend...

Truckdrivers sometimes do similar things with the NSW 'Safe-T-Cam' point to point time measurement system... stories suggest they go bat out of hell for a goodly proportion of their journey, then pull into a rest area to relax... watching the clock before they go back out and cross the next check point...

Oldtony · 17 Jan 2012, 04:57 (Ref:3012671)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Truckdrivers sometimes do similar things with the NSW 'Safe-T-Cam' point to point time measurement system... stories suggest they go bat out of hell for a goodly proportion of their journey, then pull into a rest area to relax... watching the clock before they go back out and cross the next check point...

The funny thing about that is that the concentrate hard, then have a rest break strategy is probably safer than the the long boring slog.

Just Do It! · 17 Jan 2012, 05:23 (Ref:3012675)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Truckdrivers sometimes do similar things with the NSW 'Safe-T-Cam' point to point time measurement system... stories suggest they go bat out of hell for a goodly proportion of their journey, then pull into a rest area to relax... watching the clock before they go back out and cross the next check point...

Not too many years ago, a race team truckie told me about doing Melbourne to Oran Park in 9 and a bit hours. When others doubted him, he proudly pulled out the GPS record.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the rig, because apparently at compliant speeds it is almost a 12 or 13 hour haul for memory.

**GTRMagic** · 17 Jan 2012, 06:05 (Ref:3012677)

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Originally Posted by Just Do It!

Not too many years ago, a race team truckie told me about doing Melbourne to Oran Park in 9 and a bit hours. When others doubted him, he proudly pulled out the GPS record.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the rig, because apparently at compliant speeds it is almost a 12 or 13 hour haul for memory.

You can tell a truck driver who doesnt pay for his own fuel then... most like to slipstream with a fleet of other carriers from any and all networks... one sits in front to break the air, the rest follow at close proximity for many miles at a time... to be fair to the lead truck, they eventually break away into the next lane, then to the back of the pack, to enjoy some of that fuel saving aerodynamics...

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