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3 Nov 2010, 11:28 (Ref:2784372) | #2 | |
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Nice... but they just completely ignored GT2?
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I think it's really the other way around: GT2 ignored them.
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3 Nov 2010, 12:57 (Ref:2784407) | #5 | |
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Looks like Stink Weasel wants another series where no talent moneybag owner/drivers are allowed the illusion they can actually compete with talented drivers. At least the SRO is consistent, consistently bad. Get rid of the idiotic driver ratings and success ballast, if you have talent and a fast car you can win, if you don’t you can always find another hobby. Or better yet create a series where rich losers can race each other.
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Name all the competitive Owner-Owned and Driven Cars, - GO! Drayson would have not even podium in 2008 and never did in GT2. Despite one Darren Turner turning in some reasonable lap times at Petit in 2009, he was off the pace. Just as he was at the start of his stint at Road America where the Porsche coughed going into Canada corner and they won. There are no Gentlemen Driven cars in GT2 that are competitive anyway, if you took away the Robertson's and Nieman, only 2 cars would drop away from the GT2 field. Would you really miss Intersport or Autocon? When is the purist part of the fan base going to wake up and agree this is a professional series and should be treated as such and not a glorified club racing event where professional teams are dumbed down for the sake of men in their late 50's and 60's can bump elbows with professional drivers. Strakka would have had a serious dog fight on their hands if coolant issues didn't plague Highcroft as Brabs was catching them as Nick was loosing time in the car. Not to mention they had a "perfect race" not even ONE flat tire as well, I doubt they'll be able to repeat such a flawless race. Throughout most of the season Johnny et-al were in the zone, they were clearly the fastest drivers in the fastest LMP car last season. So I given you the one-offs, but what about all these other Gentlemen Drivers out there? I'll give you another one Prospeed GT3 Champions. |
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3 Nov 2010, 13:58 (Ref:2784435) | #9 | ||
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So now SRO will try to attract entries from... the FIA GT3 and GT4 sprint race championships? I wonder if teams will try to do both.
Now, please all let's pray for ACO not to add GT3 / GTC to the Euro LMS. |
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Phoenix already said that they'd like to try their hand at this and I think other VLN or GT-Masters-teams might follow. Planetlemans.com has all the facts available in proper English now: Here Quote:
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I’m sorry if I offended you, I could have used the obvious “rat” that has been used many times before by other forum members, but I thought stink weasel was a more humorous description of an ego maniac who names a racing organization after himself in shameless self promotion, a person (not people) that clearly panders to all the things that destroy good racing (IMHO). Don’t try to spin this into something it is not, I have a low opinion of Ratel, you may love him and think he is the second coming and that’s OK, just realize I am making fun of a “person” not “people”. How about pandering misguided ego maniac, does that meet your test? Instead of addressing Ratel’s handle, why not comment on success ballast or driver ratings do you have an opinion on this? |
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You didn't offend me, I just think it's bad taste, just like the "rat"-thing. Maybe that's culture-specific and it's me who should adapt to the "host"-culture of this board, but then, sportscar racing often prides itself for its upper-class demographics and I think it should be possible for us to discuss these matters in a civilized and respectful manner...
But anyway: - There's nothing indicating an appliance of success ballast in the new GT endurance series in either article at Speedweek and planetlemans so I can only comment on that in a wider sense: The big question is: What's the alternative? To me there are two: Tampering with the rules all season long or having boring races. This year they have applied rules-tampering and success-ballast, and I am more than ready to agree that they have been rather heavy-handed at times, especially in the GT1-series during the first half of the season. Few series can survive on all out competition without any regards to parity anymore since that's too hard to sell to spectators, sponsors and funded drivers. So a transparent system of success-ballast is something I'd definitely prefer over arbitratry technical regulation changes during the season. - as for driver ratings: I think what they are trying to do in this case is rather smart if they do it right: This time, they'll allow full-pro-lineups. There are plenty of series out there that have a "Gentleman's Trophy" or something like that, so this isn't like the approach taken here is anything radically new. The important thing to me is, that they have a kind of upwards-compatability in the series, i.e. all teams and drivers in the pro-am-class should be allowed to score points towards the overall "Pro-Cup"-championship, but not the other way around. If they handle it that way, I am all for it. If they want to have truly separate classes it's not all that bright, as it will result in very small numbers of cars per class... |
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Oops! Wrong timing.
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4 Nov 2010, 01:18 (Ref:2784710) | #15 | |
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Might as well let GT1 become apart of this as well. I don't understand the sprint format with two one hour races. I say a one hour qualifying race and at least a two hour 'sprint' race.
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4 Nov 2010, 14:46 (Ref:2784943) | #16 | |
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My question is "do we really need another series right now?"
Just seems there is only so much pie and everyone wants too much of it. |
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4 Nov 2010, 16:27 (Ref:2784982) | #17 | |
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Another SRO series that will get no media coverage or any recognition outside the sports car world.
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Wait, I thought the purpose of this series was for GT2?
Anyway, would it make more sense to use the GT1's for this series? 10 to 15 two to three hour races spanning the globe for the fastest GT cars with the Spa 24 hours as the crown in the jewel? |
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So the ALMS dosen't get mayor media coverage?
And the LMS had to start from scratch while the FIA GT had a working base with the SuperRacing weekend that Ratel destroyed because he thought the GTs would be better of on their own...which completely failed because ever since then, media interest and coverage in Ratel's series is going downhill. His precious world championship is a complete no-show in the media world but of course we have to label it a success because everything this man does seems to be a success in his book. |
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For me gt/sportscar racing is endurance...
Ratel shouldnt be coming up with new championships for 'teams that want to run their cars in races longer than the current one-hour sprint races' the GT1 ect ect championships should have longer races than an 1 measly hour! Cant help think theres no need for this... time will tell. |
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SRO had a successful series that has a decent following in Europe. He wanted to expand it into a Word Championship but still wanted to make it accessible. I think on all accounts he's done that. Can the series use some tweaks? Sure. I think we all agree the races at least the Championship race should be longer since it rewards with more points. More cars would be good, an LFA would be welcome, so would the BMW M6. An event in the US would be excellent especially with the HUGE gap thanks to the ACO provided a gulf of time between Long Beach and Lime Rock in July. Grand Am doesn't draw flies but I bet World GT 1 would out draw it if it was at the right circuit and promoted. |
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Grand Am... Ants do better at picnics. Californians turned up our collective noses, we know better. We'll see how Grand Am does at Laguna Seca again when compared to the ALMS and I say right now that FIA World GT would do better than Grand Am does at Laguna Seca and with Ratel having worked and lived in California before and the number 1 car market in the US, ummm he wants to have a race here. |
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5 Nov 2010, 01:38 (Ref:2785202) | #25 | |
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The economy isn't great all over the world. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me not many interested parties are involved. Same I guess can be said with ACO racing. Not many teams can afford 24hour racing. Most the competitive GTE are factory teams. At least in ALMS.
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