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Old 21 Dec 2010, 01:06 (Ref:2806735)   #1
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Formula 1 glamour.... WHAT HAPPENED

hi guys years haved pass , and i have seen less factory teams like toyota , bmw , renault are gone and more private teams and shame private teams like aguri , minardi , hispania , that always are asking for money etcc... what is happening with the formula 1... i hope bernie finish hispania participation they are a shame , if you dont have the money ,technology , support , etcc just dont race let the big bad boys do there stuff...teams asking for money and having financial problems WTF THESE IS FORMULA 1 , while some teams race to win other race to survive ... at least lotus and virgin are triying but hispania OUT OUT NOW. they are damaging my eyes.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 02:23 (Ref:2806740)   #2
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Ah! It's the old "Why can't they spend the money they've got?" question.

Well, if that were to happen, we'd be very quickly down to just a couple of teams that could effectively sustain that sort of spending. Not even Mercedes have the stomache to spend vast sums of cash on F1 anymore.

Can F1 survive with just a couple of 3 car teams?

Also, it can't have escaped anyones notice that even teams like William's have received additional money from Bernie to keep their heads above water. You may also remember that William's signed up for the 'budget cap' rules. Manufacturers left because the expense was no longer justifiable.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 07:55 (Ref:2806784)   #3
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How ironic that it was the manufacturer teams which blocked the budget cap for the threat of leaving, then they just leave anyway.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 08:24 (Ref:2806790)   #4
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How ironic that it was the manufacturer teams which blocked the budget cap for the threat of leaving, then they just leave anyway.
Bully-boys usually operate in the same way...
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 09:11 (Ref:2806814)   #5
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What has any of this got to do with the European Touring Car Championship?
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 09:21 (Ref:2806819)   #6
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I've never been a fan of manufacturers in any form of racing.

The same thing always happens - one or two come in and spend a load of money - the profile of the series is raised - more manufacturers come in - they all spend so much that independents can't compete and are driven out - the manufacturers that aren't winning get bored with spending so much for no return and leave - grids then look a bit thin and the popularity of the series declines - the rest of the manufacturers then leave.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 10:02 (Ref:2806837)   #7
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There have always been big glamourous teams like Mclaren and Ferrari. And there have always been teams struggling for cash, struggling for speed and struggling for sponsership like HRT.

I dont get OP's point.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 11:17 (Ref:2806873)   #8
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I personally think the last team which left the sport before the works pull outs of the last 2 years that had any kind of impact was the Arrows / TWR team in 2002. A real shame to lose a team which looked like making good progress in 2001 and 2002.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 11:39 (Ref:2806878)   #9
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Manufacturers shouldn't be allowed as much power as they get. The privateers of motorsport held racing together, not just in Formula One, but elsewhere too when the big boys realised they were rubbish/spending too much money.

I actually enjoy seeing privateers more than manufacturers actually. I'd much rather have the likes of Virgin Racing and 1Malaysia on the grid over the likes of Honda, BMW and Toyota who in terms of success, weren't really that much better than Hispania.

Look at Red Bull. Very much a privateer, yet they've taken on the likes of Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Toyota, Renault, and BMW and defeated them in the past two years.

Racing has proved over the past few years that it CAN survive whether it's got loads of manfacturers competing or not many at all. If manufacturers want to come back, great, but they shouldn't be allowed to have as much control. All they care about is money, whilst privateers actually care about racing. If they don't want to come back, fine.

I don't understand what the OP means. If Honda, BMW and Toyota leaving was such an issue, I doubt global interest in the sport would be increasing as it has after this year.
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The "interest" is probably more to do with the 'personalities' rather than anything that the teams bring to the sport.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 12:03 (Ref:2806890)   #11
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Not all the "glamour" is team-related though, a fair bit of it is venues. The only particularly glamorous new races we've had since 1999 (in my view the start of the current calendar shift, heralded by Malaysia) are Singapore (if it continues for sixty years time, perhaps it will reach a Monaco level of status), Abu Dhabi (it's not a great track, but it is a nice location) and Indianapolis (which is of the calendar). A half empty deathly dull circuit near Shanghai is probably less glamorous than Magny-Cours.
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I don't really understand the OP. A lot of the issues he highlights has been the case, well, has always been the case. In fact having a few struggling teams (but only a few) gives the sport that rich piece of human drama that complements the battle between the giants at the top of the sport.

A lot of glamour is lost due to the high demands of sponsors. They want perfect drivers that speak in corporate speak even when they say they don't. Fits in with the family image most of them want to create.

As for manufacturers the sport is in good shape with that as well. Maybe the FIA should create a reserve fund for Cosworth powerplants in case the trio of makers that are there leave en-mass like they have done the last few years.
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 13:43 (Ref:2806946)   #13
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Old 21 Dec 2010, 14:30 (Ref:2806972)   #14
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formula one every time is getting slower with teams that are worst competitors, i dont know why fia dont let eupsodio skandi or us formula 1 i think these teams would maked a better job.
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Us Formula 1 ? Us who ?
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USF1 had their chance. It didn't really work out...
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USF1 had all the right ingredients except for management. They had big bucks in America's motorsport silicone valley but the management seemed to think they where putting on a theatre production for the outside world. Dr. Windsor and Mr. Marketing and that ogre destroyed the team.
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Curiously, I grew up in the days of the Garagistas and have seen F1 being taken over by manufacturers with their own vested interests as being mostly a bad thing. I relish the return of independent teams if only the rules could be arranged so that they are able to compete on an even footing, not least the provision of competitive engines at a sensible price.
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F1 needs independent teams backed by manufacturers and corporations, as it was in the 80s and 90s. F1 needs the corporations to invest money and force the likes of FOM and FIA to improve the show, but we need the independent team side of things for keeping it real, and so that we don't end up with no teams if all the corporations pull out again

And when I say corporations, I'm not just talking about car manufacturers. For instance, I wouldn't class Red Bull as an independent - looking at some figures recently, they spent more this year than McLaren. In a similar vein, when Spyker were on the grid, I doubt many would've considered them a proper manufacturer, even if they were/are
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