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Old 16 Feb 2016, 15:24 (Ref:3615139)   #166
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Just heard that the Marcos 1800 is no longer being granted papers - bit of shame from my point of view as I have always loved quirky British cars
Once homologation has been revoked does this mean even those cars with current papers have them removed ?
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Old 16 Feb 2016, 16:37 (Ref:3615167)   #167
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Just heard that the Marcos 1800 is no longer being granted papers - bit of shame from my point of view as I have always loved quirky British cars
Once homologation has been revoked does this mean even those cars with current papers have them removed ?
As far as I know, yes. If Louis reads your question I'm sure he can give the definitive FIA answer!
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Old 17 Feb 2016, 12:04 (Ref:3615435)   #168
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Just heard that the Marcos 1800 is no longer being granted papers
Any idea why? Seems a bit odd to let something race for years and then revoke the papers.

Wonder what effect this will have on values if the cars are no longer eligible for the FIA events?

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Old 17 Feb 2016, 12:18 (Ref:3615439)   #169
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Just heard that the Marcos 1800 is no longer being granted papers - bit of shame from my point of view as I have always loved quirky British cars
Once homologation has been revoked does this mean even those cars with current papers have them removed ?
My guess is existing can live the life of their papers?

I love the small volume UK cars, but most of them never went anywhere near a proper International race . . . . and most marques never produced 2 cars the same!
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Old 17 Feb 2016, 12:38 (Ref:3615449)   #170
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My take is that the car was never homologated in period, and was retrospectively issued with papers in relatively modern times, using info agreed between the FIA and interested parties. Given the performance of the cars, I think this has ruffled more than a few feathers over the last few years! If they'd just chugged round and 'made up the grids' no doubt they would have been welcomed for helping broaden the variety of makes racing. No idea if it is the case, but could it be that FIA are wanting changes to the spec?

Edit, just read Joe's post. FIA can withdraw papers any time, if they have the desire and enough reason to do so. It's happened in the last year for another marque and model.....

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Old 17 Feb 2016, 19:18 (Ref:3615555)   #172
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My take is that the car was never homologated in period, and was retrospectively issued with papers in relatively modern times, using info agreed between the FIA and interested parties. Given the performance of the cars, I think this has ruffled more than a few feathers over the last few years! If they'd just chugged round and 'made up the grids' no doubt they would have been welcomed for helping broaden the variety of makes racing. No idea if it is the case, but could it be that FIA are wanting changes to the spec?

Edit, just read Joe's post. FIA can withdraw papers any time, if they have the desire and enough reason to do so. It's happened in the last year for another marque and model.....

MIke - that is exactly as I understand it. No International history in period and now just too quick. Other cars only had domestic races in period and have been failed to get papers, so this could just be a regularisation of the situation. Not sure what has been the catalyst though?????
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Not sure what has been the catalyst though?????
This is of course pure speculation on my part- disgruntled owners of exotica with big engines and big running costs being beaten by a plastic kit car from a lower capacity class powered by an old Volvo boat anchor?

Even with a normal homologated car- push the envelope too far, make the cars too competitive, hone them with a bit of modern tech, and questions will get asked. Then the FIA (likely via National associations) will start taking an interest.....

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I understand there are other things going on behind the scenes to try and draw lines in the sand . . . . who knows, maybe the seeds of sensibility are being sewn . . . .
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I understand there are other things going on behind the scenes to try and draw lines in the sand . . . . who knows, maybe the seeds of sensibility are being sewn . . . .
That's as amusing as some of Bauble's jokes!!
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That's as amusing as some of Bauble's jokes!!
Far better than most!

But as Joe says, it's likely questions are being asked. What did a (type of) car achieve in period, what is it achieving now, and do the two relate...

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They were always a bone of contention from when first granted papers.The car was not available until sixty seven/sixty eight so how could they ever have been 'in period'.?
I understand that it was only after the constant badgering by one of the original specialist builders that papers were granted.
At least Alan and Chris took the championship over here for two years running beforehand,in a squeaky clean car (as checked by the German scrutineers.
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Wikipedia (I know!) has the 1800gt introduced in 1964.

Nevertheless this thread may help explain some things!
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Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons, I do fully understand the need for cars to be homologated and for certain events to only allow in cars that were homologated in period but I do wonder whether there is a case for an alternative system to allow cars that were not homologated in period!

Of course, there would have to be some sort of criteria that set the specs to basically just safety items rather than performance items so as not to disadvantage cars that were homologated in period!

Bear with me as I use an example - the Porsche 944 was never homologated for competition in period (with exception of the 220 turbo in to Group B) but it's disappointing that it can't be used now except in club events. The MSA has introduced a historic Tarmac rally championship for this year with age group classes for pre 1986 and pre 1990 cars. A 944 would be a great car for this series but.....isn't eligible! Tough, the purists will say, and I respect that but if there was a class that allowed cars like this to compete, but not for awards, then it could be a great way to introduce new people to the sport? As I suggest, cars would have to be specced with production brakes, dampers, power train etc and just stripped out to a defined weight and fitted with safety gear only. And probably run in their own class. Can of worms or a new growth category that allows in popular cars to compete that manufacturers saw fit not to homologated in the day?

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Wikipedia (I know!) has the 1800gt introduced in 1964.

Nevertheless this thread may help explain some things!
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76394

Hmmm,anyone EVER seen a B registered one.?
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