[VASC19R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000, Mount Panorama 10-13th October (WITH POLL)

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Nobody cares about the soap opera sideshow here.

Punters only drag this crap out, when they're looking for someone or something to blame, when their hero doesn't win. It's just sport. Someone has to win, and the rest don't.

It's not your role to be the thought police.

Punters are stakeholders in the whole circus, and as such are entitled to their opinions - and there has been more than enough wrong ones expressed here regarding the Mustang.

Originally Posted by Driver TBA

Not a good look when it's your own customers making the allegations.

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Indeed not.

[one five five]

In thirty years time will we have retro liveries of today's retro liveries?

Old paintjobs are old paintjobs for a reason. If they were any good teams would still be using them in 2019.

Originally Posted by chavez

At work last week I had to explain on at least three occasions that Bathurst wasn't on this weekend. One colleague even got the whole TOCA / Supercar war explained to him because he didn't understand.

Even twenty years later the average Joe remains confused.

As to the hype, long gone are the days of colour lift-outs in newspapers, every TV channel sending their reporters to do colour stories and overseas drivers being interviewed on chat shows.

Plenty of people i know still get surprised when told Bathurst isn't on the long weekend too... you'd think after this being the 19th year on the second October weekend, some sort of 'tradition' would have been formed.

There has been no tradition to this Bathurst event since it was formed in 1997 though, all they do is steal another Bathurst event's history and tradition.

[Trevor]

If memory serves me correctly Procar had the weekend of the NSW long weekend booked for their event, Supercars starts, can't get that weekend so goes the weekend after, of course we all know what happened to Procar.

I think it was Procar - but I do stand corrected

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Driver TBA

Not a good look when it's your own customers making the allegations.

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"insiders believe" is New Idea level journalism speak. Was Shane sporting a Baby Bump?

Pukekohe is one of those places certain guys shine. Shane has won there before.

Also as far as 888 having more information than any other team. That part actually has to be true. Unlike all the other Holdens, 888 funded and therefore own the data, and make back their costs and a profit by selling parts to every other team. Prior Holden funded it for all teams to use.

Does this mean there is secret data that is critical? It is unlikely. 888 customer cars have ways gone well. Unlike Tickford or Penske.

[F J Nedos]

Originally Posted by mayhem

What about one LEVI, one CHILLI sticker?

You couldn't do that David Reynolds would give a shout out to the cars on every tv interview!

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

888 customer cars have ways gone well. Unlike Tickford or Penske.

Like Team 18 for instance?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Forda

Like Team 18 for instance?

Funny you mention it because Team 18 did win the championship.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Funny you mention it because Team 18 did win the championship.

No they didn't. You are most probably thinking of DJR in 2010, when they owned the #18 license.

[Speedy400]

Which was a T8 customer car

[Forda]

The question is how well is the 888 customer car going this year, with Team 18.

Not how well it went under DJR.

[Speedy400]

‘Does this mean there is secret data that is critical? It is unlikely. 888 customer cars have ways gone well. Unlike Tickford or Penske.’


No mention of this year only so I’ll wait patiently for your apology.


Let’s also mention Tekno won Bathurst as a T8 customer car.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Speedy400

‘Does this mean there is secret data that is critical? It is unlikely. 888 customer cars have ways gone well. Unlike Tickford or Penske.’


No mention of this year only so I’ll wait patiently for your apology.


Let’s also mention Tekno won Bathurst as a T8 customer car.

Which customer car of Penske are you talking about?

[chavez]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Which customer car of Penske are you talking about?

Bettenhausen

[banksie]

MSR's ex-DJRTP car was so good they parked it...

Winterbottom has taken a pole and a couple of 4th places. Hardly had a terrible season.

But all that is a reflection of the different business models of Penske Vs 888.

[Forda]

Lol - Frosty was going to win the championship when he switched to Team 18.

He's currently running 13th...

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Forda

He's currently running 13th...

Still, less of a disappointment than Fabian Coulthard....

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Trevor

If memory serves me correctly Procar had the weekend of the NSW long weekend booked for their event, Supercars starts, can't get that weekend so goes the weekend after, of course we all know what happened to Procar.

I think it was Procar - but I do stand corrected

When Supercars started and decided they didn't want to compete in the traditional long weekend Bathurst 1000 in 1997 and started their own seperate 1000km race at Bathurst it was two weeks after the long weekend the first year. It then went to November for three years, then from 2001 (after the original 1000 had died) it went to the current weekend after the long weekend.

PROCAR didn't start doing standalone events until 2001, and their Bathurst events only ran in November 2002 and 2003, they had nothing to do with any 1000s

[Mixer]

So with Sandown gone and straight into Bathurst I suspect some highly fancied competitors will be caught up in pit or procedural drama, or a crash caused by wrong brake bias or bars after a stop.

It seems all the money is on #97/888/17 to win...

#97 and #888 would have to be some of the outright strongest pairings seen since the rule to split main drivers, but with the strength of both comes the reality that they will have to swap strategy or one gets to double stack.

Given how fast the #12 car actually is, the fact that not one person here has picked the car as a chance tells you that there will not be a problem with #17 having to double stack...

Thanks Rubens, I mean Fabian.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Still, less of a disappointment than Fabian Coulthard....

What has Fabs got to do with mid-pack running 888 customer cars, which you stated "always go well"?

[Tourer]

Came to this thread, ready to enjoy & discuss - then realised that I don't have a handbag so the tit-for-tat nonsense simply doesn't appeal.

Passion is a great thing but do you lot think that we could park at least the point-scoring, meaningless back & forth about "my team's better, your team sucks" for a while at least?

With no leadup 500km race this year and recent parity adjustments, to me the form book is wide open for this one. I expect that the current quick cars/teams/drivers will be quick but how co-drivers go, whether teams are error-free in pit lane, how teams manage fuel consumption compared to each other and of course tyres plus any impact from the safety car indicate a pretty wide-open race IMHO.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Came to this thread, ready to enjoy & discuss - then realised that I don't have a handbag so the tit-for-tat nonsense simply doesn't appeal.

Passion is a great thing but do you lot think that we could park at least the point-scoring, meaningless back & forth about "my team's better, your team sucks" for a while at least?

Again you're underestimating the effect the knee-jerk, and at times underhanded, 'parity' adjustments have played out this year.
It seriously leaves a bad taste in the mouths of those who have patiently endured 888's dominance for over a decade now.

To add further to the situation, 888's latest aero fiddlings have put other Holden teams, including their own customers, offside as well.

This simply cannot be glossed over; and race fans aren't swallowing all they're being fed.

Originally Posted by Tourer

With no leadup 500km race this year and recent parity adjustments, to me the form book is wide open for this one. I expect that the current quick cars/teams/drivers will be quick but how co-drivers go, whether teams are error-free in pit lane, how teams manage fuel consumption compared to each other and of course tyres plus any impact from the safety car indicate a pretty wide-open race IMHO.

Would agree to some extent; and hope is there in that Bathurst can be an equaliser, insofar as there are many variables which can occur over 6 hours / 1000 kim's.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Still, less of a disappointment than Fabian Coulthard....

Fabs has been running some development set-ups.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Came to this thread, ready to enjoy & discuss - then realised that I don't have a handbag so the tit-for-tat nonsense simply doesn't appeal.

Passion is a great thing but do you lot think that we could park at least the point-scoring, meaningless back & forth about "my team's better, your team sucks" for a while at least?

With no leadup 500km race this year and recent parity adjustments, to me the form book is wide open for this one. I expect that the current quick cars/teams/drivers will be quick but how co-drivers go, whether teams are error-free in pit lane, how teams manage fuel consumption compared to each other and of course tyres plus any impact from the safety car indicate a pretty wide-open race IMHO.

The whole event has been a political football to varying degrees for twenty years, at the instigation of the Supercars organisation themselves.

The whole "my teams better, your team sucks" is what the whole category was built on and is what used to be described as passion

Why throw all that aside in 2019 to apparently now "enjoy and discuss"?

[fomoco]

Shades of Gough, "maintain the rage "

https://wwos.nine.com.au/motorsport/...c-fe05e4afddec

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by one five five

The whole "my teams better, your team sucks" is what the whole category was built on and is what used to be described as passion

Why throw all that aside in 2019 to apparently now "enjoy and discuss"?

Nothing wrong with passion and taking a position on one team or another, I was referring to the ongoing ping-pong sniping back and forth on one point.