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17 Nov 2005, 17:25 (Ref:1463320)
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No More Indy for Newman/Haas
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17 Nov 2005, 18:53 (Ref:1463380)
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Shame, but I don't blame them for not wanting a repeat of this years accident. That crash ruined Junqueria's season.
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17 Nov 2005, 19:01 (Ref:1463389)
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A solid sponsor and a test-driver could change all of this in a heatbeat, though.
IMO, racing at Indy is no longer good-PR for ChampCar (like it was a few years ago), but a dollar-bill is worth a thousand words. |
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17 Nov 2005, 19:04 (Ref:1463391)
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In the other Forum, there was a thread that dealt with "Indy 500 Winners & Losers"
By my calculations, Newman-Haas was by far the biggest loser in the final outcome... Their total pay that they received for both competitors was about $450,000, but their losses in destroyed cars alone was about $750,000....that doesn't even include a single paycheck for anyone on the crew, garage rental, housing for a few weeks, etc. Not to mention the biggest loss of all...Bruno's remainder of the 2005 season....thank God SeaBass wasn't hurt as well in that final wreck of the race... |
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17 Nov 2005, 19:47 (Ref:1463425)
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I can't imagine that anyone is all that surprised.
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17 Nov 2005, 19:52 (Ref:1463433)
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I figured they wouldn't be there as soon as a I saw the 2006 Champ Car schedule..... They'll race in Houston the night of Pole Day, and will be out of the country on the following weekend....and thus they wouldn't have much parctice time at Indy, either, in order to prepare for those two races.... |
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17 Nov 2005, 21:25 (Ref:1463504)
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17 Nov 2005, 23:35 (Ref:1463621)
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17 Nov 2005, 23:50 (Ref:1463628)
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So much for Chip Ganassi's idea at a small attempt of an IRL/Champ Car mixer...
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18 Nov 2005, 09:11 (Ref:1463893)
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Will put a lot of pressure on the IRL field to find 33 cars for Indy. Seem to have stuggled for a couple of years now, and that's at least 2 more they will need to find.
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18 Nov 2005, 10:13 (Ref:1463936)
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No surprises really. After what happened to Bruno this season...
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18 Nov 2005, 12:09 (Ref:1464032)
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I question the "finality" of this, although it may well go down that way. Bourdais speaking to a group of Purdue students is not a TEAM announcement. Haven't heard anything from Haas, Newman, even Junqueira one way or the other.
As for the $, yes, they had two wrecked race cars and the purse wouldn't pay for them. But Pacificare wanted to be at Indy and paid for it...and maybe manufacturer support, too. |
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18 Nov 2005, 12:18 (Ref:1464039)
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Ganassi can still run the US ChampCar races which don't clash with IRL commitments.
ChampCar have very cannily done their schedule to avoid their guys racing in the Indy 500 anymore, as they've seen that, with so few oval races and talented oval drivers among their roster, they have less chance of winning it now. As their regualr ChampCar drivers would have no time to qualify a car, the only option would be for someone else to race, or to qualify the car for Seb or Bruno to start at the back fo teh grid, whcih wouldn't be worth the hassle. |
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18 Nov 2005, 14:12 (Ref:1464139)
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SeaBass drove a great race at Indy last year.....he got tapped by Buddy Lazier when he tried to shut the door on him going into the third turn and that resulted in his accident (Lazier's front wing cut a tire), or he would have had a Top Five finish....
and Bruno was diefinitely on his game with a good racecar when Foyt put him into the wall.... |
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19 Nov 2005, 19:13 (Ref:1465068)
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Apart from Brunos accident, the two pacificare cars were hardly seen on screen throughout the entire race since Danicamania was in full swing....
Value for money? I hope they'd rather decide that funding a third Newman Haas car is a better option for 2006........then everyone will be happy!
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20 Nov 2005, 01:34 (Ref:1465301)
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Wasn't Centrix their sponsor at indy?
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20 Nov 2005, 08:42 (Ref:1465428)
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Well da Matta would have been with Newman/haas this year if they got a sponser to field a third car throughout the season right? Yet I take it Centrix came a long in the month of may so they could run both cars for the 500 right?
Although It was fun seeing Newman/haas in the 500 this year, the result wasn't fun at all, and I'm sure 3 cars throughout next season is better than being able to be busy throughout may infact it wouldn't even work next year.. |
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20 Nov 2005, 09:56 (Ref:1465464)
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I don't think its a choice between Indy or 3 ChampCars.
The sponsor for the 500 came on board because it wanted to appear at that race. Otherwise it would have just been the normal 2 car ChampCar team |
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20 Nov 2005, 14:07 (Ref:1465582)
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20 Nov 2005, 14:46 (Ref:1465597)
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Will sponsors still feel that supporting a car for one race is better for them than supporting a car for a whole season?
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20 Nov 2005, 19:22 (Ref:1465807)
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I mean, I'm not starting a whole debate on the value of Indy Vs a whole Champcar season, but the most Centrix got shown on screen was during Bruno's wreck. Not exactly positive association with all the doctors and whatever around, and I can't even remember if the logos etc were in one piece or crumpled up by the crash. If they'd been on the Champcar, they'd have been on the winning car at least twice (Monterrey and Toronto....that's if you count the second newman haas car as is and not some alternate "If Bruno hadn't crashed" timeline  )and got a lot more screen time over the course of the year....as well as fans at the track.... I would assume there's some assesing or re-assesing going on at Centrix |
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20 Nov 2005, 19:31 (Ref:1465812)
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Let's just hope that they see "autoracing" as a whole, as a good investment. And that they don't look back on last year as a reason to abandon their advertising targets altogether.
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20 Nov 2005, 23:50 (Ref:1466021)
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Team Centrix logos have appeared all season on Newman-Haas cars, if I'm not mistaken. Centrix is also the title sponsor of the Denver race.
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