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Old 14 Nov 2019, 04:42 (Ref:3940511)   #26
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Old 14 Nov 2019, 09:39 (Ref:3940537)   #27
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The bloke is absolutely toxic, he's been on the wide world of sports in the last couple of days complaining, he just can't accept the umpires decision and supercars will just let him get away with it, he's bad for the sport.
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Old 17 Nov 2019, 11:17 (Ref:3941080)   #28
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The engine was tested and sealed by Supercars
The spec sheet that Supercars generated for the engine before qualifying was withing the limits.

The engine was then changed because it was dropping water into the combustion chambers.

Supercars has confirmed that they could only do 2 runs on the Dyno before getting water vapour present, and the engine produced no more than the specified power.
Was the minute increase in lift caused by the overheating?
Why do Supercars measurements differ between sealing the engine and breaking their own seals to re-open it?

Why would the specs have changed?

Looks like Supercars didn't like what happened at Bathurst and set about a witch hunt to try and disqualify DJR.

Seems as stupid as it just brings the whole sport into disrepute and damages their own brand.
Agree - seems silly to disallow something that you(tech inspectors) had allowed/approved.
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Old 17 Nov 2019, 13:10 (Ref:3941103)   #29
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The bloke is absolutely toxic, he's been on the wide world of sports in the last couple of days complaining, he just can't accept the umpires decision and supercars will just let him get away with it, he's bad for the sport.
He brought professionalism to the sport I would have thought.
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Old 17 Nov 2019, 22:35 (Ref:3941261)   #30
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Over 300 exams make Scott McLaughlin’s Ford Mustang most scutinised car in V8 history

James Phelps, The Sunday Telegraph
November 17, 2019 2:49pm

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Scott McLaughlin's all-conquering and highly controversial Ford Mustang has been subjected to an unprecedented 325 technical checks this year to make it the most scrutinised car in the sport.

Having everything from window thickness, wing angle and ride-height measured to the millimetre by Supercars officials, the record-breaking Ford has been tested 132 more times than Shane van *Gisbergen’s Commodore.

And the DJR Team Penske Mustang has passed every test except one — the bombshell Bathurst engine fault that has left rivals calling for McLaughlin’s Mount Panorama win to be stripped.



Dick Johnson insists Scott McLaughlin title win is not tainted.

Leaked technical reports prove beyond doubt that McLaughlin and DJR Team Penske have been compliant for every other race of the season in a revelation that V8 legend Dick Johnson claims should dismiss any suggestion that the Kiwi whiz-kid’s latest championship crown is tainted.


“Nothing anyone says can take away from what our drivers and our team have achieved,” Johnson said.

“The team has done an incredible job and no one can take that away from them.”
McLaughlin’s sister car — driven by Fabian Coulthard — has also been put through 161 separate checks to make DJR Team Penske the most tested team in Supercars with a total of 486.

The second-most-tested team has been the Holden Red Bull Racing Team with van Gisbergen and Whincup’s Commodores combing for a total of 379 inspections.

The sport’s greatest living legend, Johnson claimed he had not seen a car tested as much as the Mustang during his 50 years in the V8 paddock.


The #17 Shell V-Power Racing Ford has come under some serious scrutiny.

The Mustang has been subjected to a series of searching checks at every round, including the Bathurst 1000 where every nut and bolt was stripped from the Mount *Panorama winner.

“When you win lots of races, you get checked by the scrutineers,’’ Johnson said.

“That’s been the case since Adam was a boy. What we’ve seen in 2019 has been another level of scrutiny, and in over 450 checks we failed once. And that check was done on a rooted engine.”

McLaughlin refused to celebrate winning his second consecutive championship last week after he was stripped of his Bathurst qualifying and top-ten shoot out wins for using an engine that did not comply with Supercars specifications.

The Bathurst bombshell has raised questions about the legality of championship winning car at other rounds.

Johnson was adamant the Bathurst engine fault was a one off and the technical reports obtained by The Sunday Telegraph support his claim.


McLaughlin wasn’t stripped of his Bathurst title despite the illegality.“

The Bathurst stuff shouldn’t have happened and we’ve paid the price,’’ Johnson said.

“We’ve been checked way more than any other team in pit lane and had not one other issue. We made a mistake, we’ve paid the penalty.’’

DJR Team Penske have also been forced to make three separate go-slow changes to the Mustang this year after Supercars deemed a lack of parity between the Ford and the other makes.

“On top of all the scrutineering, we’ve had to make three separate parity changes to our cars across the season,’’ Johnsons said.

“And our rivals have had two each — so you’re talking seven changes since we started going racing in March. I’ve been at the top of our game, on the bottom and now back on top again. It hasn't always been easy, but this year has certainly been a roller coaster ride.’’

McLaughlin has vowed to celebrate winning his second V8 crown at the Newcastle 500, beginning this week, after his Sandown party was crashed by the Bathurst engine charge that also saw the team fined $30,000.

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Old 18 Nov 2019, 00:21 (Ref:3941281)   #31
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Phelps article.

Holds as much water as a colender.
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Old 18 Nov 2019, 00:25 (Ref:3941282)   #32
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Phelps article.

Holds as much water as a colender.
Not in this case.

References the exact number of technical checks done on both the DJRTP and 888 cars to date; and includes many direct quotes from Dick himself.

Which part(s) of the article, if any, would you believe to be factually incorrect?
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Old 18 Nov 2019, 00:55 (Ref:3941286)   #33
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The engine was tested and sealed by Supercars
The spec sheet that Supercars generated for the engine before qualifying was withing the limits.
Do Supercars actually measure the engine as it is assembled, or do they simply apply seals on the engine the first time that it is taken to a race meeting?
As I understand it, the spec sheet is generated by the engine builder as he assembles the engine, not Supercars.

If this is the case, then the seals simply show that the engine hasn't been touched since Supercars put their seal on it.
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Old 18 Nov 2019, 05:01 (Ref:3941307)   #34
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Not in this case.

References the exact number of technical checks done on both the DJRTP and 888 cars to date; and includes many direct quotes from Dick himself.

Which part(s) of the article, if any, would you believe to be factually incorrect?
Not surprised to find that this is the case, supercars have shown their true colours this year, now they'll have their new VCAT next year with holden getting preferential treatment.
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Old 18 Nov 2019, 05:22 (Ref:3941309)   #35
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Not surprised to find that this is the case, supercars have shown their true colours this year, now they'll have their new VCAT next year with holden getting preferential treatment.
But how on earth do they manage to justify 486 scrutineering checks on DJRTP in less than a year?

And then the grandstanding shown when a single minute thing was found on, as Dick said, a "rooted" engine.

Who in particular is behind this push exactly?
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Old 18 Nov 2019, 05:49 (Ref:3941316)   #36
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But how on earth do they manage to justify 486 scrutineering checks on DJRTP in less than a year?

And then the grandstanding shown when a single minute thing was found on, as Dick said, a "rooted" engine.

Who in particular is behind this push exactly?
It's institutionalised cheating by those that are running the show imo, no wonder Nissan got out.

Good to see that Dick spoke up, he needed to do that.
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Old 18 Nov 2019, 06:17 (Ref:3941317)   #37
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But how on earth do they manage to justify 486 scrutineering checks on DJRTP in less than a year?
Isn't 486 how many points Scotty won the championship by?

C'mon, you have to see it's the technical department doing their due diligence. It's a parity series where (ATM) one guy dominates - why would they check any other car?

I think they realize the domination is more Scotty than Mustang, but they have to at least appear to be rectifying it, otherwise the more reactionary would claim conspiracy from the red pulpit opposite yours
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It's institutionalised cheating by those that are running the show imo, no wonder Nissan got out.
Not just Nissan, but AMG and Volvo before them as well.

Interesting too, is no one new has joined the series.
And why would they want to? - the whole Mustang saga paves an interesting precedent.

Pretty short-sighted of the series to cut off it's nose to spite it's face.
What would they do if GM pulled out of Australia, like they have in other parts of the world?

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Good to see that Dick spoke up, he needed to do that.
Absolutely; and the true facts are now there in black and white.
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But how on earth do they manage to justify 486 scrutineering checks on DJRTP in less than a year?

And then the grandstanding shown when a single minute thing was found on, as Dick said, a "rooted" engine.

Who in particular is behind this push exactly?
are you Australian? What don't you understand about the Tall Poppy syndrome?
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Isn't 486 how many points Scotty won the championship by?

C'mon, you have to see it's the technical department doing their due diligence. It's a parity series where (ATM) one guy dominates - why would they check any other car?

I think they realize the domination is more Scotty than Mustang, but they have to at least appear to be rectifying it, otherwise the more reactionary would claim conspiracy from the red pulpit opposite yours
Rectify someone that is a better driver???..........that's a strange comment!
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Not just Nissan, but AMG and Volvo before them as well.

Interesting too, is no one new has joined the series.
And why would they want to? - the whole Mustang saga paves an interesting precedent.

Pretty short-sighted of the series to cut off it's nose to spite it's face.
What would they do if GM pulled out of Australia, like they have in other parts of the world?



Absolutely; and the true facts are now there in black and white.
Any CEO of a manufacturer that would join this series would have to have rocks in his head, look what happens when you are better than holden, you get dragged through the mud !
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I'm failing to see the fuss.

New Tech Department are far more thorough than the previous...they check more things.

The numbers listed are total tests, not total individual scrutineering sessions - there are multiple tests conducted in a single scrutineering session.

Cars that place on the podium are always scrutinised more often and more thoroughly than the few random place-getters that also get tested. After the amount of success Scotty has had this year it is no surprise his car has been checked the most; just as it is no surprise that Red Bull are the second most checked team.

A tech breach was identified in 1 of the 325 tests of car 17. How many tech breaches were identified in the other 2731 tests? I don't recall any.

Good to see Dick admit the Bathurst stuff shouldn't have happened. He's right...shouldn't matter how many times a car is tested, it should be expected to pass every time. Shame they could not get through the entire season without a tech breach, but given they were found to have 2 separate tech breaches last year with less scrutineering it is an improvement. Let's hope next year they get a full season of no technical breaches...something for them to aim for...because one breach is one too many no matter how many times you are tested.
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I'm failing to see the fuss.

New Tech Department are far more thorough than the previous...they check more things.
What evidence, other than the sheer increase in number of tests done on on DJRTP, proves they are more thorough, as opposed to simply more numerous?

And why are they supposedly more 'thorough' suddenly now, than say in 2016/2017 when Red Bull were notching up the majority of wins?

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A tech breach was identified in 1 of the 325 tests of car 17. How many tech breaches were identified in the other 2731 tests? I don't recall any.
And how many other tests were done on engines which were on their way out, or had expired?

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Not a test on a 'rooted' engine - that is the point at hand.

The only thing they could find in 486 tests was less than the thickness of a piece of paper on some, but not all of, the valve lift tolerances in a dying engine.

And holding off on the details until two races later, and then making the announcement at the start of the Sandown race - looks more like amateur hour than anything professional or thorough.
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The only thing they could find in 486 tests was less than the thickness of a piece of paper on some, but not all of, the valve lift tolerances in a dying engine.
How many sheets of paper would you allow if you were the scrutineer before deeming the motor illegal? It is a funny thing in motor sport or the motor sport I have been racing in for too many years, they write the regs for a reason with a hard limit on stuff like this so people will not fudge the limits. Give an engine builder a tolerance and he will push all the way to the tolerance prescribed in the regs so there may as well be a hard limit with no tolerance. Engine builders are there to derive as much HP as they can and if that means cheating they will and will deny it with a straight face. Been there and done that.

So the question remains, how far over the limit on lift can a motor be before it is deemed illegal? Two sheets of paper, or three or maybe five, I seek your wise answer.
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Once again, the tolerances relevant to a healthy engine, or on one that is not?
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I wish every "dying" "rooted" engine I had could do a 2.03 around The Mountain.

Come on Forda. Surely you're not swallowing that one?
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Huh? Water vapour was being emitted from the oil tank when Supercars tested the thing themselves.
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What's that got to do with the valve train?
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I wish every "dying" "rooted" engine I had could do a 2.03 around The Mountain.

Come on Forda. Surely you're not swallowing that one?
As Gricey often said they run their fastest just before they blow.
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What's that got to do with the valve train?
Is having water in the oil a function which a healthy engine would display?
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