BTCC 2019 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[S griffin]

Yeah, I can’t see them running those things in the BTCC

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by jsmee

Interesting that Aiden Moffat Racing have bought the Infinitis, possibly to run in TCT.

Originally Posted by S griffin

Yeah, I can’t see them running those things in the BTCC

What's interesting is why has TCT seemingly got some traction and the previous attempt to do something with 'spare' NGTC cars was stillborn?

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by S griffin

To be fair it's hard to read sarcasm in text

True but when it comes to the original poster having to explain their comment in a dumbed down way repeatedly to someone who clearly has no idea of concepts such as "snowball in hells chance" or understand irony, rather than draw it out demanding a righteous apology to try and score points, some posters could accept and move on and conversations would flow a lot better

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Yeah, I can’t see them running those things in the BTCC

I have seen on the facebook page the Merc is still with them currently in a paintshop so unfortunately i think your right. its a shame, we never really got to see what the Infiniti's potential was

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

What's interesting is why has TCT seemingly got some traction and the previous attempt to do something with 'spare' NGTC cars was stillborn?

I think being bolted onto an existing championship calendar helps, along with next to no restriction about what type of car you can use. but lets see, only 1 confirmed entry so far so may still go nowhere

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

I think being bolted onto an existing championship calendar helps, along with next to no restriction about what type of car you can use. but lets see, only 1 confirmed entry so far so may still go nowhere

Only 1 entry but Moffat must be pretty sure about getting someone into those Infinitis - otherwise buying them makes no sense at all. I suppose Aidan could be driving one of them - he did venture out in TCR UK didn't he so there must be 'spare' funding available to use.

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Only 1 entry but Moffat must be pretty sure about getting someone into those Infinitis - otherwise buying them makes no sense at all. I suppose Aidan could be driving one of them - he did venture out in TCR UK didn't he so there must be 'spare' funding available to use.

Actually wasnt it the Palmers he went into TCR with before pulling out after 2 or 3 rounds? wonder how the deal to obtain the Infiniti's came about from that as the relationship between the Moffats and the Palmers seemed to end badly

[aland]

as i posted yesterday

dont forget bob moffat owns a1 race and restoration, prep company for race and classic cars. so probably prepping them for others to drive as pay drivers. Knowing how Bob is a shrewd businessman he probably made derek palmer snr a offer he could not refuse for the cars, bearing in mind he provided palmer with transport and hospitality trucks during aiden's tcruk outings. when aiden was there it was the 2 laser artics, afterwards it went back to derek's old 5th wheel trailer and navara pickup

the relationship didnt end badly, aiden just got out the series

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

What's interesting is why has TCT seemingly got some traction and the previous attempt to do something with 'spare' NGTC cars was stillborn?

I can see one very simple attraction - the number of meetings (five) is a small calendar. The time and financial commitments are therefore massively less than BTCC and TCR UK. Possibly even less than Clios?

So you have an opportunity to race machinery comparable to current BTCC cars thus putting yourself in the shop window relatively cheaply in motorsport terms.

Potentially both Infinitis, the Dynamics FK2, I suspect the Norlin FK2's, possibly some Avensi - the #HARD cars and Speedworks cars - are eminently suitable.

We have the makings of a nice stepping stone to touring cars.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Plato

He doesn't need more sponsors, look in to it he's well off enough to not need any sponsors, its the kids that need them.

In terms of absolute need, then no he doesn't need more sponsors.

But in terms of how much he is budgeting on, then more sponsors are required for all 3 Collards to compete at the level they hope for.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by aland

the relationship didnt end badly, aiden just got out the series

Aidan was hacked off with two things in particular:

1. The car. It was, and still is, dismal. No reflection on Palmer, the Alfa was developed on a limited budget by a not very good Italian outfit. There was no manufacturer involvement.

2. The series organisers and 'penalty gate' where they demonstrated ineptitude and contempt for the competitors.

I imagine Aidan had high hopes for silverware and quickly realised there wasn't a hope. Should have got a Golf or Civic!

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Potentially both Infinitis, the Dynamics FK2, I suspect the Norlin FK2's, possibly some Avensi - the #HARD cars and Speedworks cars - are eminently suitable.

We have the makings of a nice stepping stone to touring cars.

what about Sherman and Panzer ? supposedly they are in storage


if Rob Austin doesn't get a BTCC seat maybe time to race one of those himself again


and one of the Dan Welch Proton survived ?


and the ex BTC Norlin Chevies

[Alfisti]

Well we do need some tail end Charlies!

Maybe add a Subaru or two, I believe Linesy has at the very least tested one.

[redshoes]

Can we keep this thread BTCC related and not get sidetracking with TCT. Start a separate thread if necessary

[Plato]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

In terms of absolute need, then no he doesn't need more sponsors.

But in terms of how much he is budgeting on, then more sponsors are required for all 3 Collards to compete at the level they hope for.

That depends on the level they want and the plant business.

But who knows as I said last I heard he wasn't cleared to race and was looking at ploughing the cash into the boys, but it might have changed since then,
Atm the only people are rob and wsr.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Plato

That depends on the level they want and the plant business.

But who knows as I said last I heard he wasn't cleared to race and was looking at ploughing the cash into the boys, but it might have changed since then,
Atm the only people are rob and wsr.

And anyone who read Rob's comments.
"In a perfect world, we’d be able to bring more sponsors onboard to make sure that both me and Ricky can be on the BTCC grid."

The level they want is BTCC for Rob and Ricky, and that requires more budget than the current sponsorship package provides.

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The level they want is BTCC for Rob and Ricky, and that requires more budget than the current sponsorship package provides.

Is this confirmed for Ricky? I thought he was looking more to GT's than BTCC, he was fortunate to get the drive because of Robs problems (and I think he did really well) but I dont know if that's his real plan

[rich07]

I heartily enjoy this thread even though I’ve got little to contribute due to my limited knowledge of BTCC. Sad to see Collard gone and really thought Ricky would take his seat next year.

Anyone know roughly how much a team spends to enter a car or team in the full series these days?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

Is this confirmed for Ricky? I thought he was looking more to GT's than BTCC, he was fortunate to get the drive because of Robs problems (and I think he did really well) but I dont know if that's his real plan

Not sure if it's the long term plan for Ricky. But in 2018, Rob said it was their 2019 plan to have him on the grid if possible, and that they were looking at options for Ricky to get a drive, but that might be away from WSR....

'Ricky – potentially GT3 or maybe the BTCC. […] I’ve already had other [BTCC] teams who have approached me to ask about Ricky for next year, so you never know'

[Steel Wheels]

Originally Posted by rich07

I heartily enjoy this thread even though I’ve got little to contribute due to my limited knowledge of BTCC. Sad to see Collard gone and really thought Ricky would take his seat next year.

Anyone know roughly how much a team spends to enter a car or team in the full series these days?

Drives are normally ‘available’ from £150k to £500+k depending on car, team sponsorship etc.

[Craner Curves]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Not sure if it's the long term plan for Ricky. But in 2018, Rob said it was their 2019 plan to have him on the grid if possible, and that they were looking at options for Ricky to get a drive, but that might be away from WSR....

'Ricky – potentially GT3 or maybe the BTCC. […] I’ve already had other [BTCC] teams who have approached me to ask about Ricky for next year, so you never know'

It's also expected that Ricky will not be a BMW junior after the new year.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

It's also expected that Ricky will not be a BMW junior after the new year.

I wonder how long it will be before Rob is no longer a 'BMW Brand Ambassador'?

[rich07]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

Is this confirmed for Ricky? I thought he was looking more to GT's than BTCC, he was fortunate to get the drive because of Robs problems (and I think he did really well) but I dont know if that's his real plan

I thought GT was the future for Ricky too especially with the tie up with BMW. But if he’s left BMW then I guess anything’s possible.

Originally Posted by Steel Wheels

Drives are normally ‘available’ from £150k to £500+k depending on car, team sponsorship etc.

If that’s for a season that’s cheap even at a mid range between those two numbers-well compared to Supercars down here where you’d be looking at seven figures for even a tail end seat. The cars in BTCC are cheaper to buy and run so I guess that makes a difference.

[aland]

Originally Posted by Steel Wheels

Drives are normally ‘available’ from £150k to £500+k depending on car, team sponsorship etc.

you wont get much for 150k, look at 40k per race weekend, plus pre season testing, plus any serious shell damage, plus entry fees and hotels. okay a lot of drivers and teams either own or hire rv's for the season so there is at least 70k for a decent motorhome. it does vary though. even in the support series there is some who have the big rv down to some in a 25 year old touring caravan. these guys spend as much time on the road as they do at home so a comfy bed is a must

[sceptic]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

It's also expected that Ricky will not be a BMW junior after the new year.

Ricky is too old to be a BMW Junior now.