15 August 2010 - Alternative 6 hour? (YES, organised by the 360MRC)

[MGDavid]

getting back to previous comments on reliability (or lack of) - would it be possible at a UK circuit to do snatch / tow recovery under yellows and whites like they do abroad, or would a breakdown out on the track mean retirement?

[Peter Mallett]

Can't post more than one poll at a time, it needs different threads but this one times out 28th. So we can add another after the result. Although I'll give it some thought.

Terry I realise its possible for engines to survive many hours of racing, I'm just putting some reality into the piece for those who've never done it before or been involved.

[Peter Mallett]

Another thought.

The period applied to this may well dictate what can be achieved. Certainly there's a more varied scope for makes, models etc. in the period from 1966 to 1985, simply because performance cars got relatively cheaper in that period, witness Golf GTi, XR3i and others. Also if the regs are as per CSCC which allows for certain modifications but standard bodywork, then there's scope for cars from CTCRC, MGOC, MGCC, HSCC et al. Exclude AppK as a requirement so it would conceivably offer better reliability for the entrants. I'd also exclude (as much as I love them) Group 2 and Group A cars.

As to promotion, with that kind of range there is scope for mainstream classic mags to get involved too.

Ok, I'd better do some work now.

Originally Posted by Steve Gibson

26th & 27th September DDMC @ Croft a big hole in our timetable due to someone pulling out of the meeting.
Pit garages big Marquee and end of season BBQ on Sat night, plenty of local eating and drinking places near to the track and a friendly bunch organising it.
We could give you about 2 hours of tracktime each day.
Interested?

Apologies we missed Croft off the list. As has been said this year would be too early and this date clashes with Spa unfortunately.

I've PM'd the OP to see if we can get him back in.

[terence]

Originally Posted by MGDavid

getting back to previous comments on reliability (or lack of) - would it be possible at a UK circuit to do snatch / tow recovery under yellows and whites like they do abroad, or would a breakdown out on the track mean retirement?

If its "OUR" race,we create the rule's just as long as they are in line with MSA safety etc.As Peter suggested,it would'nt be too difficult to get a Mag involved in promoting the event .It's even possible to invite some of the European racers over to help with grid numbers.
So,now we have the idea,bankrolling should not be much of a problem,we have a more than willing CoC who is more than capable of all of those little thing's that put things like this together.We also have Claire Smith on our side,more than handy in her own right.We need to organize a tech team to decide on the reg's,exactly what period this will cater for.We also need ,as John Smith said,to get one of the major organizers interested so it could be run off the back of one of their events.This alone would be a huge bonus and save rather a lot of work in it self,but it need's to be at the circuit of our choice.

[fasted]

Originally Posted by Steve Gibson

26th & 27th September DDMC @ Croft a big hole in our timetable due to someone pulling out of the meeting.
Pit garages big Marquee and end of season BBQ on Sat night, plenty of local eating and drinking places near to the track and a friendly bunch organising it.
We could give you about 2 hours of tracktime each day.
Interested?

"The Croft 500kms" ? I would definitely enter.

[Peter Mallett]

Make that a "suitable circuit". If a mag were to be interested it would obviously like to get punters to visit so with the greatest of respect Angelssey just doesn't fit even if the surroundings are great.

Iain mentioned a committee but whilst I don't think it needs that it does need an organisation and as I said the OP needs input here.

So.

Period -
Location -
Regs (including capacities) -

Seems like we're running in circles doesn't it?

[terence]

Yep,needs someone to kick the ball!
I really cannot see that Anglesey could be much of an attraction[despite the fact that it is a very good circuit] Logistic's,I think,rule it out.

[Peter Mallett]

Ok,

I've set up a discussion group and issued invites to various posters. We can increase the members of the group as we go along if necessary, however if we are to organise this then at least we can agree amongst ourselves before publishing.

[johngee]

OK - I'll put my head above the parapet. I think we've got to a stage where we all seem to think there's sufficient interest in a 6 hour historic/classic race but it now needs to taking a stage further.....bearing in mind that there's another world outside of our happy little group on 10/10ths. I'm happy to co-ordinate this, if a majority think I'm the right person to do it.
My modest credentials (for those who don't know me) are that I know how to construct regulations, organise and run a race meeting - I believe successfully but I guess that's for others to say! I'm also commercial manager for a multi million pound IT company that's still afloat and making a profit, so I guess I have a reasonable understanding of commercial, contractual, budgetary and financial issues. In addition, I hope I'm impartial - trust me, I'm a clerk of the course!
What we need now is a 'Proof of Concept' covering when, where, how and with what and I would need help is on the type of cars and eligibility issues in order to generate a viable potential market of competitors. Target date to complete that should be the end of July. If, therefore, you all want me to do it, I need 2/3 people (with no axe to grind or hidden agenda) to help put that side together, so we're looking at an informal (at this stage) committee of 3 or 4 - any more than that will just become a talking shop (and we all know that the camel was a horse designed by a committee!) and we're going to need some real action over the next 2/3 months if we're going to get it in the calendar for 2010.
I have no personal hidden agenda in offering to do this (except that I would like the opportunity to clerk it! ) - I have no pretensions of being the next Bernie Ecclestone and, in fact, I'm committed to the idea that this would be a 'not for profit' operation, run for the benefit of the competitors.
If you don't think I'm the right person to co-ordinate this, then I'm very happy to help whoever is thought to be.

[Peter Mallett]

Let's take this off line and use the discussion group.

[midgetman]

Haven't been Tenths-ing for a bit and just caught up with this thread. Exciting to see things moving apace.

While I may not have the wherewithal to be title sponsor, keep me in the loop for opportunities that arise. And as an entrant of course.

[Peter Mallett]

Yup.

[Tim Falce]

Unless I've missed it has anyone given any thought about marshals? They generally don't like endurance races so you need to make it interesting and make sure there is a full grid, although the latter is requisite to make it pay.
You will also need to make sure it doesn't clash with anything else big that weekend which is one concept a lot of clubs don't seem to grasp.

[Peter Mallett]

Absolutely right on both counts Tim.

Got any suggestions re timing etc?

[terence]

As Johngee said,it revolves around GP timings generally.The date cannot be set till early part of next year although it be planned as to when we would like it to take place.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Absolutely right on both counts Tim.

Got any suggestions re timing etc?

Obviously not September or October. I believe you have the Silverstone Classic normally in July although I'm not sure if you'll be aiming the meeting at the purist historic racer anyway and would the person who does Spa 6 Hour want to do another race of a similar type?
Then there's the marshal side where you need to make sure nothing else clashes or may be on adjacent weekends where marshals family life may be a concern.
So probably May, June or August but apart from the meetings I've stated you would have to work around the British GP and possibly the Touring cars or other major meetings of which I have no idea when they occur.

[simon drabble]

If its on the Silverstone International I would suggest the natural times would be HSCC meeting in May or the MG meeting in July....
however, albeit a great idea, I fear this is a pipe dream only.....

[Tim Falce]

I can't see the MGCC taking this on as part of their Silverstone meeting, they can barely run the meeting to time as it is due to the size it's got to.

On the point of cost, IIRC the 750club do an entry fee of around £800 for the relay race. If this is so then entry fees wouldn't need to be much more for this one assuming a full grid of around 44 cars, or have I missed something?

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by simon drabble

If its on the Silverstone International I would suggest the natural times would be HSCC meeting in May or the MG meeting in July....
however, albeit a great idea, I fear this is a pipe dream only.....

Yeah, but its fun to speculate isn't it?

As to timing, it would probably be better as a stand alone one day event, thereby avoiding embarrasing clashes.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by falcemob

I can't see the MGCC taking this on as part of their Silverstone meeting, they can barely run the meeting to time as it is due to the size it's got to.

On the point of cost, IIRC the 750club do an entry fee of around £800 for the relay race. If this is so then entry fees wouldn't need to be much more for this one assuming a full grid of around 44 cars, or have I missed something?

Is that per team or per car Tim? Also is it on the Inter or the National?

[andy97]

Originally Posted by simon drabble

albeit a great idea, I fear this is a pipe dream only.....

Without dreams nothing would get done.

[terence]

My sentiments entirely!

[johngee]

Originally Posted by simon drabble

If its on the Silverstone International I would suggest the natural times would be HSCC meeting in May or the MG meeting in July....
however, albeit a great idea, I fear this is a pipe dream only.....

I don't think it's just a pipe dream. There's a number of us working away in the background on the principle of a one day, independent event.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Is that per team or per car Tim? Also is it on the Inter or the National?

Sorry, think it must be nearer £1000 and that's per team. I remember paying £165 as part of a 6 man team a couple of years ago which was on the Nat circuit. The international last year was about the same but they increased the grid to 50 teams.
Why is the Inter circuit dearer, it can't be used for anything else when a meeting is on and marshals do it for the love so no extra cost there, is it just extra wonga for the BRDC?

[simon drabble]

JohnGee I am comforted to hear that as you do add credibility (no disrespect meant to the others but this is his area of expertese) to the event happening!!! Why dont Masters put one on?