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Old 16 Jul 2003, 11:25 (Ref:662648)   #16
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Sorry guys you just don't get do you. Goodwood is about seeing the creme de la creme and being entertained. It is not a race meeting, it is not a competitive hill climb; if you think it should be you are woefully mistaken about its concept. Earl March invites the best and the rarest in the world. Forget about club Healeys etc etc.... it ain't going to happen.

The FOS is about entertainment on the hill, the Revival is about balls out racing by the best in the world driving the best cars in the world for the period that the Revival commemerates.

If you don't like it don't go, but please don't moan about what numerous World Champions and racing legends excellently described as "The Best Event in the World".

Will you dispute the accolades of Moss, Surtees, Bell, Gurney, Sullivan, Button, Doohan, Ickx, Alan Jones, Montoya, Coulthard, Jim Hall and Rod Huber to name a couple.
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 11:37 (Ref:662664)   #17
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the Revival I think you will find is in the same spirit as the FoS. Not saying its a bad thing at all as they are both great events!
Interestingly i think that the names and indeed most were going for it - it was just a few who weren't. I guess I admire their self control as I would get too tempted!
Re the very best cars etc.... curiously cars with genuine Goodwood history sometimes get passed over for more recently made cars, so I think there is a certain amount of "who you are not what you are", but that is their perogative!
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 13:47 (Ref:662765)   #18
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Well said Chigley....
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 14:08 (Ref:662786)   #19
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so we're all agreed . . .the FoS is the cats whiskers as far as cars go, and drivers, but it is essentially just a 'show' nothing wrong with that in the slightest, its just a shame IMHO that they're all just museum pieces . . . .

as for the revival, the only really balls out racing Ive seen is the saloons, maybe Im biased, and definitely inexperienced of other types of historic racing, and Im sure all the guys are really racing, and hard, but most of the other races are using exceedingly rare/irreplaceable cars owned by very wealthy people. a vast majority of the saloons are built specifically for the event, and have no historic importance, those which do are invariably replicas.
its still a fantastic day out, but I think in a way it undermines the work and effort which goes into the club scene and the people that compete in it as very few if any of them are there competing.
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 14:29 (Ref:662815)   #20
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I agree - if you want to see great racing go to a club meeting (HSCC, VSCC, Top Hat, Gentlemen Drivers BRDC Historic etc...) if you want a great occassion and day out go to Goodwood.
You will see great cars (historically important and otherwise) at the club meetings as well... Its a pity the Coys Festival isnt revived as that was the nearest to achieving both -
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 14:45 (Ref:662823)   #21
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So is there a reaction to Goodwood FoS? Are we saying that it isn't what it should be?
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 14:57 (Ref:662838)   #22
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I think we are saying that to 9/10ths of the competitors its a Festival of Speed but to 1/10th its a celebration of beautiful cars!
However it does not detract from the meeting and long may both Goodwood meetings continue!
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 15:33 (Ref:662873)   #23
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Id say the proportions where the otherway round for the FoS Simon, but otherwise I agree. The other issue is you cant race on someones garden path with the general public sitting 30 feet away.

I think its title is a little misleading Peter, sure the cars on display are mainly racers and fast but the only speedy thing about the whole show is the cash flow at the bar
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 15:45 (Ref:662886)   #24
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The whole point about Saturday (and Friday, come to that) is that it's for PRACTICE! I wasn't there this year, but I've attended the last three.

I've no idea who the "ponce ... in a be-winged Dodge Charger" was, but a NASCAR car is hardly the most easily-handled machinery at the best of times on a big wide Superspeedway, let alone on a narrow driveway in a park - it's a vast car, and vastly over-powered. Friday and Saturday are for drivers to familiarise themselves with the course (or re-learn it) - the driver of that Charger might never have even seen the place before, let alone driven it. Big Gerry, OTOH, has been up the hill many times, and bloody fast. If he nearly hit the Charger, then that sounds to me more like a marshalling problem: on a short and twisty course like Goodwood, marshals have to be alert at all times if cars are running more slowly than expected (for whatever reason). Perhaps CR Box could enlighten us as to exactly where on the course this occured?
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 18:53 (Ref:663064)   #25
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You don't have to risk the car to put on a good show. Look at the aforementioned Bob Riggle. Bob did what he does week in and week out with the car, and that's entertain the hell out of the crowd with a huge wheelstand, lots of sparks, and an exhaust note that shakes the very earth!

It's likewise an insult to the audience when some pompous jerk parades up the hill at 20mph, waving gingerly, simply showing off the toy he was able to buy with his boatloads of money.

You don't have to risk the car to put on a good show. _Especially_ with a '69 Dodge Charger Daytona. Just floor the damn throttle and let the Hemi light up those inadequate bias-plys!

These cars were made to go fast, not for a Sunday drive in the country. You don't have to try and break the record to have some damn fun, and put on a show for the paying audience.

These "demo" runs should be tossed from the weekend. If you're not going to do your job and put on a show for the people, keep your machine parked under the damn tent. The hill is for those who're willing to open up the throttle and let it hang out at 8/10ths, not for a prick with a fat wallet to show off his toys for his own amusement alone.
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 19:17 (Ref:663103)   #26
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I take it that you were not there then Lee Janotta????

Hhhmmmmm.... maybe you should go just so that you can see what we are all talking about....

Or do I detect a hint of jealousy at not being able to afford one of these beautiful vehicles????
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 19:19 (Ref:663107)   #27
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Lee, I've never heard so much rubbish spouted before. As others have said, if you want to watch a competitive hillclimb go to Prescott.

If you lose the demo runs then you can kiss goodbye to most of the entries. Would you rather these cars were kept locked up in private collections and never shown in public?
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If you lose the demo runs then you can kiss goodbye to most of the entries. Would you rather these cars were kept locked up in private collections and never shown in public?
Well put Redshoes. The Festival never has been a competitive hillclimb for all invited cars. True - some come along to try to get BTD but most are demos and a chance to see our heroes re-united with famous cars, whatever the speed although I do think some are excessively slow.
Some owners are happy to show their cars and hand them over to 'names' to drive but may not want them driven hard. Take Jack Sears for example with his Galaxie 500. He once told me he would never allow the car to race again, yet he was invited to bring it along because so many people remember him winning the BTCC in 1963 with this famous car. It is totally original in 1960s spec.
Lord March wanted a Galaxie in the first St.Mary's Revival race in '98. Because Jack didn't want it racing again his Lordship had a replica built in Willment colours.
Perhaps the title is mis-leading and 'The Festival of Speed' does not fit - certainly in some cases. But I for one am grateful to be able to see so many famous rare cars in one place, but to also get to hear them. You can't do that in a static museum!
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 21:17 (Ref:663252)   #29
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Here here for the last three posts, surely this is what the FoS is all about. If you want to see Historic cars racing, hillclimbing etc, then go to the appropriate meetings anywhere in the world, Goodwood is a display of the famous, rare and forgotten cars of the past put together in one place where they can also be driven at whatever speed the owner/driver wishes.
Example.
A friend of mine in France worked for Matra Automobiles until a couple of years ago and volunteered, with several like minded fellow employees, to keep Monsieur J-L L's collection of racing cars working so that they could be displayed at Monthlery etc. The Matras according to Mr L had had their day and were now to be seen, demonstrated to the public, but not raced (unless you were a favoured ex-employee). When Matra came to Goodwood in '96 and '97 these were the reasons that the cars were driven at not too great a speed up the hill, admittedly by French historic racers, but even Chris Amon was under instructions not to go above 10,000 rpm in the MS120D.
Andrew has given similar reasons for Jack Sears appearances in the Galaxie and I seem to remember Sir Stirling Moss doing exactly the same in Mercedes as well.
Finally, what is better, seeing a car at Goodwood once a year or traveling halfway round the world to visit a museum to see the same car gathering dust, possibly as a non runner?
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Old 16 Jul 2003, 22:40 (Ref:663346)   #30
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Lee, do you wait until you see a post that you know nothing about and then open your mouth and let your belly rumble and wait for the controversy. You obviously haven't understood one thing about the ideals and concepts of the Festival of Speed. Is this another case of you having read all the books and seen all the video and are therefore "an armchair expert".

Believe me, talk to your American friends who have actually been to Goodwood and hence know what they are talking about, they will soon put you right. As I said previously do YOU dispute the accolades of so many World Champions and living legends, or do you from your armchair over there across the pond know better???
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