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I'm not so sure about that. Ferrari, haven't won a race since Belgium last year and apart from Mercedes the top team last year, with a Mercedes engine, was Force India whose best result was 3rd at Azerbaijan with Perez driving. If both sets of WCC points are added together, they would have been 5th overall.
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Imo the combination of a RB chassis, Max, and either a Merc or Ferrari engine and you have a title winner/legitimate challenger to LH's Merc.
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I will agree with #1. I think #2 is more nuanced than you say. Or rather I say that it's more complex than one word... "Competence". But if you were to try to wrap it all up under one word that is close enough. Personally I have no beef with Mercedes. I think they are an extraordinarily well run team (very good management) with a large budget. And both are required for success. Richard |
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30 Apr 2019, 15:17 (Ref:3900757) | #3479 | ||
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i dont have numbers but RB may only now be close to Ferrari and Merc because of Honda's input. with Renault they were a ways off (i want to say 100mil less a year).
and i believe, Ferrari have only recently stepped up their spending (and staffing) game...Merc's advantage is thus somewhat based on having a bigger budget and staff leading into this and last season. basically Ferrari and RB will need to outspend and out hire Merc to catch up to them. anyways, im think we all agree that this is an untenable model. |
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Well I’m sure everyone cam agree to disagree on here
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The results would seem to indicate not. Mercedes are perfect this year, ignoring the fastest lap gimmick, last year they had won one race at this stage. |
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It would be nice to think they could play with that. Although the initial spec. Is to match current performance.
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There's more to a teams performance than just engine performance. Having your aerodynamics,tyres, drivers and strategy working optimally to name a few all very important obviously.
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There is no evidence for that though, there is for the contrary. I won't be too long since this is slightly off-topic, but in all races and qualifying sessions so far, Red Bull is further off the fastest car than last year (except Baku's race, but that's for obvious reasons ). In some cases by some margin, especially in Bahrain. The numbers simply don't lie, and that's even with considering Verstappen is driving much better than last year. Now, in the long run reliability will be more important, and in that Red Bull is going to be in big trouble too because they've already introduced a second spec engine in the third race due to fundamental reliability issues. The honeymoon period will nog last long and knowing Red Bull this will become a huge drama again. I suspect even so much so that Honda will reconsider staying for the new 2021 regulations...
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This is off topic for this thread. I say take this to the Honda thread and if I have time (which is short for me as I just started a new job, but I will try) I will post a more in depth reasoning. Lastly... Regarding the use of "Fanboy". Please show me examples where calling someone a Fanboy is not means in a derogatory, disrespectful or dismissive way. Attack the post (as you have directly above with your arguments.... thank you) and not the poster (derogatory names). Richard |
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But it's also the only even remotely objective measure we have, hence why I focus on it. Everything else is speculation and bias. And yes, I am accusing the original poster I quoted of the latter, as I have you and you have admitted to it. We can discuss this further elsewhere as you say. It is though, I feel, relevant to the current topic too. Honda and Red Bull will not succeed until at least 2021, and there is a large possibility the current power units will be used even then. One could really start to wonder why Honda (and also Renault, although they do have a factory team at least) keeps bothering. It has certainly salvaged its reputation and has created an online cult following, but that's as far as they can go before they should start winning something. Can they wait two more years for that?
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Actually no. I mean, most of what we say is speculation, but if someone does the data analysis the truth can be extracted. RBR and Honda know for sure if Honda went forwards, backwards or remained the same as they have a level of raw and pertinent data that we don't. I have generally been waiting for some of those F1 fans who have a background in statistical analytics to post some of their analysis of the 2019 season, but last time I checked the most recent is based upon previous season testing. If I have time I will search later today. I do this stuff for a living. I know this type of knee jerk off the cuff analysis we are doing is highly inaccurate. Quote:
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RBR are doing so much better with Honda than Renault, but how long will it last? It’s made a good start for sure. We’ll see if they are here for the long term with rule changes coming up
I guess there are those that want to see RBR go well and they are doing alright so far. Honda have kept them going The season is still young though. There is still a long way to go. Merc seem to have it in the bag atm and are leaving Ferrari to shame and RBR are hanging in there. Anyway moving on |
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I see the push is now on to delay the sign off on the 2021 regulations.
https://www.racefans.net/2019/05/07/...ules-sign-off/ Doubtless, delay delay delay and then postpone the implementation for another few years. Classic! It is not like we have not had 5 years to think about where the rules are going. |
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It is really disappointing to see the same games being played that got the formula into the current mess. Guess Liberty and their employees just don't have the internal fortitude to stand up to the manufacturers and make the decisions necessary to protect the sport.
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i used to think that these delays resulted in shorter lead times and that was a benefit as the top teams now had less time to dial themselves in.
but really they just spend more money, hire more staff, use more resources and move at a faster pace...one which the smaller teams obviously cannot match. anywho...do we know what the sticking points are and which teams are putting up the roadblocks? |
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The article simply talks about how the larger teams want to implement the agreement as late as possible and the small teams as soon as possible. With the disagreement being over months and not years. Keeping the 2021 technical specs up in the air as long as possible hurts the smaller teams the most (which the article calls out). So the small teams... want the agreement signed earlier (June 2019). The large teams... want the agreement signed later (October - December 2019). With the technical regulations up in the air, the small teams can't afford to do extensive design work if in the end... there are last minute tweaks that could invalidate earlier work. Money down the drain. Not what cash strapped teams can risk doing. The large teams are likely driving the technical regulations, so there could be some repeat of the Mercedes situation in which a large player pushes the regulations in a direction they are already prepared to excel in. The large teams likely claim they are taking the time to "make sure we all get the regulations correct". There may be a bit of truth to that, but I expect they already know what they plan to support and just are looking to steal a march on the small teams. Also, while I believe the cost caps are a phased implementation and maybe not tied to the signature date (or maybe it is!), the more the well funded teams can use un-capped funds today to study and design for a future 2021 cost capped car, the better for them and the worse for the current under funded teams. Richard |
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And nobody will be able to catch up after the initial cards are shuffled. Same thing as 2014 with the jetons.
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In simple terms... short term, maybe not much change (on track pecking order). Long term... maybe we get what we want. Look at the current 2019 situation. Mercedes has their act together with respect to the changes that happened this year and even historically good or well funded teams while close... remain behind Mercedes. So technical regulation changes doesn't always reorder the results on the grid. In the end... I still very much support the proposed cost capped system. I can't speak to the 2021 technical regulations as I haven't really looked hard at what info is available yet. Broadly I expect it to be 2019 on steroids in that some will continue to get it right and other wrong. 2021 may be an interesting year, but 2022 maybe less so, etc. Richard |
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