Scary incident at Brands Hatch today.... - Page 2

FilW · 24 Jul 2005, 16:26 (Ref:1362114)

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Originally Posted by ascarmarshal

The driver was spoken to by the Control Tower Supervisor ( there was no CofC as we were not under permit)

What was his excuse and what action was taken against him.

ascarmarshal · 24 Jul 2005, 16:31 (Ref:1362118)

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Originally Posted by FilW

What was his excuse and what action was taken against him.

Excuse was that he did not know the mechanic was there and all MSV could do was take his wristband off so that he could not go out again. MSV can't endorse his licence or fine him. He was also reported to the HSCC CofC for referance but beyond that there was nothing that could be done.

Suze · 24 Jul 2005, 16:34 (Ref:1362123)

Is he going to be banned from future MSV test / circuit days?

ascarmarshal · 24 Jul 2005, 16:36 (Ref:1362127)

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Originally Posted by Suze

Is he going to be banned from future MSV test / circuit days?

Not much point as the team and driver are based in New Zealand and we won't have F5000 over until next year and MSV can only ban someone from the circuit for a maximum of 12 months without going through a lengthly and costly legal process

ss_collins · 24 Jul 2005, 16:48 (Ref:1362133)

Its quite normal at brands for spanners to hitch a lift - but the absent minded driver must be feeling very embarrassed

Redracer77 · 24 Jul 2005, 20:05 (Ref:1362287)

Sam I am not sure he knew the mechanic was on board.

Maybe JP can add that type of ride to his PalmerSports days!!!

Sheila M · 24 Jul 2005, 20:09 (Ref:1362290)

Whilst I realise the seriousness of the situation, I can't help but think the mechanic should be added to EPs list of odd things to ever fall off a car.

Andrew Kitson · 25 Jul 2005, 17:26 (Ref:1363092)

Very scary...we used to regularly hitch a ride back to the paddock on FF1600/FF2000s etc but you made sure the driver was going there and slowly!

RSportRacer · 25 Jul 2005, 19:44 (Ref:1363189)

ive hitched rides on the back of a pit trolley being pulled by a quad and thats bad enough. question is the number one rule on most single seaters is not to push or pull excessively on the rear wing. Ive been told that as being a marshal and working on singleseaters!!

If only someone there had a camera or video of it!!

Redracer77 · 25 Jul 2005, 22:00 (Ref:1363314)

I did

But I turned the other way and filmed the Jag coming out the pit garages

ascarmarshal · 28 Jul 2005, 19:28 (Ref:1365894)

I spoke today with the CTS in charge on Friday. The team told the driver to go to the outer paddock as the car could not run with out the battery being fitted. The mechanic had permission to to ride on the car to keep the battery connect so that the car could retern to the Outer Paddock. The driver was pointed to the tunnel but IGNORED the direction and went out ( This was the second time that this driver went onto circuit instead of the Outer Paddock). When hauled up to Race Control the driver complained about the session being stopped as he did not know what he had done.

Kicking-back · 28 Jul 2005, 19:35 (Ref:1365908)

There's a report in Autosport today - naming names.

ascarmarshal · 28 Jul 2005, 19:37 (Ref:1365913)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

There's a report in Autosport today - naming names.

I don't usually get Autosport, but I will get a copy tomorrow on the way to work

luke · 28 Jul 2005, 20:57 (Ref:1366028)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Ban the driver for life, surely.

Bit harsh when it sounds as though he didn't know there was a mechanic on the back....?

Sheila M · 28 Jul 2005, 21:49 (Ref:1366094)

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Originally Posted by luke

Bit harsh when it sounds as though he didn't know there was a mechanic on the back....?

Wrong. He failed to obey the clear instructions of the Marshals.

I spoke today with the CTS in charge on Friday. The team told the driver to go to the outer paddock as the car could not run with out the battery being fitted. The mechanic had permission to to ride on the car to keep the battery connect so that the car could retern to the Outer Paddock. The driver was pointed to the tunnel but IGNORED the direction and went out ( This was the second time that this driver went onto circuit instead of the Outer Paddock). When hauled up to Race Control the driver complained about the session being stopped as he did not know what he had done.

If he didn't know what he had done wrong for the second time IMO it's time to introduce whatever Licence he has to the shredder.

Suze · 28 Jul 2005, 22:03 (Ref:1366113)

But I thought it was discussed before that he could only be banned from MSV test and circuit days as the Brands day was MSV endorsed, not MSA or FIA?

maximus · 4 Aug 2005, 19:38 (Ref:1372258)

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Originally Posted by ascarmarshal

I spoke today with the CTS in charge on Friday. The team told the driver to go to the outer paddock as the car could not run with out the battery being fitted. The mechanic had permission to to ride on the car to keep the battery connect so that the car could retern to the Outer Paddock. The driver was pointed to the tunnel but IGNORED the direction and went out ( This was the second time that this driver went onto circuit instead of the Outer Paddock). When hauled up to Race Control the driver complained about the session being stopped as he did not know what he had done.

If this is the case then I feel that the driver should have his license revoked and be forced to take a re-test after a ban.

ascarmarshal · 4 Aug 2005, 20:03 (Ref:1372280)

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Originally Posted by maximus

If this is the case then I feel that the driver should have his license revoked and be forced to take a re-test after a ban.

For the umpteenth time in this thread I will repeat His licence cannot be revoked as it was a MSV test day and not under permit from either the MSA or the FIA. They had no duristiction on this day

Kicking-back · 4 Aug 2005, 20:08 (Ref:1372282)

Well the rules need changing then!

ascarmarshal · 4 Aug 2005, 20:20 (Ref:1372289)

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Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Well the rules need changing then!

If we had to run under MSA permit then no test days would happen as there are minimum levels under the permit and the MSA won't issue a permit for test days. It would be to expensive to man the circuit well enough for a MSA permit. The way testing is run at Brands is with a small crew normally one marshal every other post ( three or four in pitlane) with a rescue unit, one or two fire trucks, two ambulances and one or two paramedics. HSE are happy with this and there hasn't been a fatality at Brands during testing for years. Drivers have to show their race licence when they sign on for testing. No licence no test. If a driver does something very wrong his name is passed on to the organising club or even banned from MSV circuits for testing and trackhires) for 1 year. In this case a ban would have been useless as the driver concerned ( from New Zealand) wouldn't be returning to Brands (or any other MSV circuit) until 12 months time. We couldn't ban him from the meeting. We tried this a few years ago when a driver stole some wristbands and went testing without paying or signing on. We couldn't legally ban him from racing at meetings. All we could do was ban him from Octagon circuits for testing and trackdays for one year.

maximus · 5 Aug 2005, 16:25 (Ref:1373053)

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Originally Posted by ascarmarshal

For the umpteenth time in this thread I will repeat His licence cannot be revoked as it was a MSV test day and not under permit from either the MSA or the FIA. They had no duristiction on this day

No need to kick off! I know he can't lose it, read my post, I FEEL that he should have it revoked.

Kicking-back · 5 Aug 2005, 16:56 (Ref:1373086)

Yes, and when I said change the rules, it doesn't need the huge upheaval suggested - all that's required is for incidents on tests like this to be able to be submitted to the MSA for consideration.

ascarmarshal · 5 Aug 2005, 17:03 (Ref:1373097)

For the MSA to have reports submitted on incidents that happen on test days then a permit has to be issued with all the increased costs assoiciated which have to passed on to the drivers. It will mean that every spin and incident will require a written report and verbal report ( verbal reports clog up radios and written reports distract the lone marshal on the post from their primary role of flagging and reporting more serious incidents than a simple Spin and Continue) and a lot more paper work for the CTS ( who is busy enough as it is)

Emma · 7 Aug 2005, 11:07 (Ref:1374219)

Bloody hell - that sounds scary!

HitMan13 · 22 Aug 2005, 18:00 (Ref:1388583)

If anyone cares to know, the mechanic involved is doing fine. He was in the hospital in the UK for some time, and has now returned to New Zealand, about 5 days ago. Wed this week he will require some more surgery on the ankle, but the suspected head injuries were just that; suspect. Besides the few stitches he received, there was no head trauma. He will be off work for a while (2 months probably) and then hopefully off wings for the rest of his days!!

Cheers.

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