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Old 23 Mar 2024, 13:14 (Ref:4202404)   #626
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Old 27 Mar 2024, 20:52 (Ref:4203055)   #629
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Old 27 Mar 2024, 21:09 (Ref:4203056)   #630
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What is it with so many car designers these days with their fascination for outsize front grills? I don't find any of them to be in the slightest attractive.
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What is it with so many car designers these days with their fascination for outsize front grills? I don't find any of them to be in the slightest attractive.
I'm sure there must be a practical reasons. Aesthetics don't usually come into car design
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Uh, what? That's pretty much first in many of the designs after safety requirements until you get to high end cars when drag/df/etc are considered

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What is it with so many car designers these days with their fascination for outsize front grills? I don't find any of them to be in the slightest attractive.
Depending on where the main market is there are a few things at work. Pedestrian safety concerns make the fronts bigger and squarer to I guess push them under and kill instead of on to the hood, sorry bonnet. I went down the rabbit hole once of safety design and it was ridiculous to the point of worrying about engine temperature coming through the hood and burning someone hit by a car. My first thought was well the sun made my door so hot I burned my arm on the trim, can't imagine what the hood feels like now. And then to meet US CAFE regs there is a new frontal area to size ratio thing, it's a bit unclear what let's you use that instead of car vs truck but that's lawyers for you. Bigger frontal area means you can pollute more cause you're bigger, yeah you figure it out
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Old 28 Mar 2024, 13:25 (Ref:4203152)   #633
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It's not the frontal area as such that gets my goat, but just the grill area, you know what used to be chromed and there to let air get to the radiator. BMW seemed to start it, followed by Audi and that Infinity just seems to be all grill and nothing else!
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Old 28 Mar 2024, 14:19 (Ref:4203160)   #634
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Other than American full-size trucks, the first big grilles I recall are the 2004 VW Golf GTI, Audi A4 and A6.
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Old 1 Apr 2024, 14:39 (Ref:4203515)   #635
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Yep Audi did great in this field and more with the Allroad variants. Nothing like a Merc.
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@Naburu: do you have Citroën TV commercials with a music playing La Marseillaise our national anthem too? In fact its for DS series here because DS is the official car supplier of Mr you know who…
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Old 16 Apr 2024, 19:16 (Ref:4205187)   #638
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Gerard, do you mean this one?
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Or the Citroen "Disco-bi*ch" DS3 ad
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Citroen have done many good ads. Robot dance

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The best? An oldie but 60 years of DS. https://youtu.be/rRHogyYXFiQ
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https://youtu.be/MdonjMvtjXI
More likely this one which seems to be french market only. It suggests that not only one French can have the privilege to own/drive it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9mQd8myzQ Bad taste IMO.

The one you're refering to suggests that those car are kings choice… Between Louis XIV, Napoleon and De Gaulle. Thanks for the old DS one, never watched it before.
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More likely this one which seems to be french market only. It suggests that not only one French can have the privilege to own/drive it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9mQd8myzQ Bad taste IMO.
My understanding is that "French luxury isn't exclusive to just one Frenchman". It doesn't refer to foreigners.
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I understand that the diesel powertrain is mated to a mild-hybrid system?
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Mild hybrids are so weak that I rarely bother to mention them.
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Definitely not my style, but I prefer it over the new Land Cruiser Prado.
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The 4Runner looks like a Mad Max inspiration/evocation. Almost 300 hp, what for?
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