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Old 21 Apr 2020, 15:21 (Ref:3972064)   #51
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If he’s eager and by the sounds of it he is, then of course he would come back
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Old 21 Apr 2020, 17:58 (Ref:3972087)   #52
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To be honest, I think that this whole Coronavirus situation is so extreme and that it will cause a large proportion of people (and companies) to completely change their outlook on life in general. Lets face it none of us have ever experienced such a thing that has had such an overwhelming on The Whole World like this has. In light of this, is being the person who can drive a racing around in circles quicker than anyone else can an important achievement, especially when you have already shown that you are, and more than once, or are there other things that you may prefer to do with (what's left of) your life, with the wealth that you have already accrued?
I honestly don't expect there to be any significant motorsport activity at all this year, Nationally or Internationally, there are far more important things to sort out first for the good of mankind as a whole before our favourite pastime reaches the top of the priorities list sadly.
I really do think that life as we knew it will never return, companies will realise that they don't need huge expensive & prestigious offices because a lot of their staff can function just as well from home. Workers will realise what a chore (and expense) commuting has been, and that as it is clearly isn't necessary, will not want to go back to doing it.
I could go on but I think I've made my point (and anyway it's time for a glass of wine). It may pass the time having these discussions, and I am all for that, it keeps our brains active, but I just don't think we can theorise about things based on what we used to know, to coin a phrase, 'the times they are a changin'.
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Old 22 Apr 2020, 01:40 (Ref:3972135)   #53
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From his results so far this year I could have done just as well, and a lot cheaper!
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Old 22 Apr 2020, 08:43 (Ref:3972173)   #54
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Indeed, he's done no better than any other driver on the grid
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Indeed, he's done no better than any other driver on the grid
Not sure what that means in context?
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Old 26 Apr 2020, 19:32 (Ref:3972994)   #56
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Not sure what that means in context?
Just tedious jokes referring to the fact that since there has been no racing yet this season, every driver is equal on points.
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Old 12 May 2020, 00:07 (Ref:3975619)   #57
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BBC suggest that if Vettel does race after 2020, it won't be with Ferrari.
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i am stunned, Vettels is a young (32) 4xWDC
with the right attention he should be able to get ferrari up to where they need to be, but LeClerc i think is the favored son there, and that is all that needs ot be said, they didn't want vettel to blow it, but he didn't really deliver.
it could be the might of M-B and hamilton pairing is just too much.
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Old 12 May 2020, 07:16 (Ref:3975642)   #59
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That looks to be the end. I can't see him taking a seat lower down the grid.

An odd career. Weird to think he looked like smashing all the records at one stage.
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Old 12 May 2020, 07:22 (Ref:3975645)   #60
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For me, another multiple champion with numerous questions, only ever won seriously in a car with an obvious advantage, never really got on at all with the turbo cars and like his best mate, a driver who employed dubious tactics at times?

Would he by in my, anybodys top 5? No
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That looks to be the end. I can't see him taking a seat lower down the grid.

An odd career. Weird to think he looked like smashing all the records at one stage.
I'm with you on that. Ferrari taking on LeClerc was, I think, not the motivating factor that they may have thought it was.

Listening to him rant over the last couple of seasons seemed to show that as a team they'd already "lost the dressing room", so to speak. Again.
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i am stunned, Vettels is a young (32) 4xWDC
with the right attention he should be able to get ferrari up to where they need to be, but LeClerc i think is the favored son there, and that is all that needs ot be said, they didn't want vettel to blow it, but he didn't really deliver.
it could be the might of M-B and hamilton pairing is just too much.
Alonso was unable to get the Ferrari over the championship line first, and I think everyone would agree that Alonso is overall a better driver than Vettel.

Vettel had 2 issues - he didn't suit the turbo cars. And Ferrari were never good enough to clinch the deal. Either of these issues on their own is a dealbreaker. Combine them and you get the mess he is in now. When things are "just right", Vettel is unstoppable. When they aren't, he's above average at best,

And I'll say this now - I don't think Leclerc will win a title with Ferrari without significant changes to the management team. The only post-Schumacher title at Ferrari was heavily helped by a McLaren melt-down.
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Does Vettel not suit the turbo cars? He put in one of his best seasons in 2015 when the turbo cars were a little more crude than they are now and the Ferrari was merely solid.

That was, of course, the Ferrari honeymoon period. The pressure was less, the car was solid and it was all about improving on that awful 2014 campaign for both driver and team. 2016 brought more expectation and the first signs of the cracks, culminating in the four time champ and certified nice guy verbally abusing an elderly race director on live TV. Things have never been as good as they were during that first year at the Scuderia, not even close.

I think you have just seen his natural level, by and large. An undoubtedly very good driver who was elevated with the blown diffuser concept. Look at his performances relative to Webber when the diffuser was restrained: the two of them suddenly seemed to inhabit the same solar system.

I will miss him if he goes. He is a nice and interesting guy on the whole. But he has been seriously flattered by that 2010-2013 period. He was never on the level of Alonso or Hamilton and probably not even Jenson Button or Nico Rosberg. We will look back at his career and see four world titles but we will also see him running scared from two fights within the teams he liked to think were all his.

We will also reflect on the odd amazing drive. On his day he could actually set the benchmark, but there are numerous drivers you could say that about who fizzled out in a similar manner.
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Who replaces him then?

Alonso? Not sure I would risk pairing him with Leclerc, could be quite combustible.

Ricciardo? A good bet, but would it just be another situation like he had with Max at Red Bull?

Mick Schumacher? Come on, this is a serious seat.

Nico Hulkenberg? Hardly likely.

Not so long ago a young and daring talent turned down a factory drive to set off on a path to Ferrari. Is this Romain Grosjean's time? Maybe not.
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Who replaces him then?

Alonso? Not sure I would risk pairing him with Leclerc, could be quite combustible.

Ricciardo? A good bet, but would it just be another situation like he had with Max at Red Bull?

Mick Schumacher? Come on, this is a serious seat.

Nico Hulkenberg? Hardly likely.

Not so long ago a young and daring talent turned down a factory drive to set off on a path to Ferrari. Is this Romain Grosjean's time? Maybe not.
Be very interesting. You’d think Ricc and Huelk might be two choices.

But DR didn’t like being #2 to the chosen one before and went to The Regie for the big money, so not sure how much Ferrari might pay him - although driving for them, from his ancestral country, may be attractive.

Huelk would likely be a stopgap if that happened.

Gio also has to be under consideration although that doesn’t look like the strongest pairing right now.

They might even bring The Kimster back!
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Webber to Renault surely?
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They need to look through the whole grid, as they need a strong lineup to get back to winning reguarly
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Given how well both Alonso and Vettel did with Ferrari I wouldn't say it was either driver's fault that titles weren't won.They only really did well when they could run unlimited testing at Fiorano and sheer persistence led to a car with performance.Without the benefit of 300 days a year developing on track and having to compete with teams that are better able to arrive at a circuit with a car that is already very close to optimised for the venue they just don't perform as well as their vast resources ought to allow.Its hard to see that changing with a budget cap.I'm not about to write Vettel off.
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I’d say they weren’t ready to cope with Ferrari’s ways, but Ferrari do seem to be on a slide down at the moment. They will get back, but it will take time. I don’t see the prospects for this season looking good. Vettel could be out before the season ends
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I’m not sure the Norrises would accept Russell though.
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I should be perma-banned for that in all honesty.
Well, it made me laugh. So yes you probably should
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Some very interesting comments from Vettel in this article about his departure from Ferrari.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...n-vettel-split
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