2018 Dunlop Super2 Series

[peckstar]

Bathurst Super2 race regains points status for 2018

clearly the wildcard experiment didnt work

[Tourer]

Hmmmm - they used to have wildcards and a non-points race at Bathurst in the early days of what is now Super2. Experience was the same as this.

[Umai Naa]

I think the difference there, was the main race wasn't as much of a closed shop as it is now.

[V8 Fireworks]

I don't understand why no Super2 runners were interested in the 1000, assuming that they would have to pay an extra fee (inflation adjusted) no greater than what they gladly paid back in 1999!?

How come there were 55 car grids then, yet now it's impossible? Doesn't make sense.

It couldn't be that Supercars have jacked up the entry fee to many times what privateers paid to race in the 1999 and 2000 versions of the Great Race?

[Umai Naa]

I don't know the full story, but my understanding is that the minimum budget required to do the '1000, would cover most blokes for a whole Super2 season.

There's a lot more to it, than just the nominal entry fee.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I don't know the full story, but my understanding is that the minimum budget required to do the '1000, would cover most blokes for a whole Super2 season.

There's a lot more to it, than just the nominal entry fee.

A team did this event a couple of years ago as a wildcard, rented a car, sourced engineering and preparation assistance, and garage equipment, insured it, and for the single event were said to not see a whole lot of change out of $150k when working out the value of cash and kind.

Just as Super2 pilots get called up into the main 1,000km race, technical bods become in demand for teams to bolster the strategy/engineering/preparation in teams up and down the lane too. Like Dr Slater at 888 Here

There are spare garages at the end of the lane... not dozens... but a number usually taken up by Dunlop tyre equipment & personnel... and a weighbridge/setup pad.. who could either contract to smaller space, or go back into the paddock. SupercarTV takes a number of garages too as a studio which equally could be somewhere else if required.

If only there was the demand for the space.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

A team did this event a couple of years ago as a wildcard, rented a car, sourced engineering and preparation assistance, and garage equipment, insured it, and for the single event were said to not see a whole lot of change out of $150k when working out the value of cash and kind.

Seems as you would expect 150k/3.5m season budget, or 5% of the full Supercars season budget.

A traditional privateer car in the traditional 1000 would surely cost less than that to run -- staffed entirely with mates working for a beer and burnt sausage, trailered to the track on an open-air trailer behind a Land Cruiser, engineering support consisting of nothing more than the owner-driver fiddling with the shock absorber knobs between seasons etc. Exactly as cars are prepared in lower categories.

Fully refreshed car with careful inventory of the fatigue cycles on all the components fitted? Not ruddy likely. More like flush the brake fluid, give it a polish and hope the thing makes it to the end without anything snapping!

[Langers]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Seems as you would expect 150k/3.5m season budget, or 5% of the full Supercars season budget.

A traditional privateer car in the traditional 1000 would surely cost less than that to run -- staffed entirely with mates working for a beer and burnt sausage, trailered to the track on an open-air trailer behind a Land Cruiser, engineering support consisting of nothing more than the owner-driver fiddling with the shock absorber knobs between seasons etc. Exactly as cars are prepared in lower categories.

Fully refreshed car with careful inventory of the fatigue cycles on all the components fitted? Not ruddy likely. More like flush the brake fluid, give it a polish and hope the thing makes it to the end without anything snapping!

Thankfully those days have passed. Adding a bunch of low budget once a year racers to the field would do nothing to improve the race and indeed would likely ruin it with even more safety cars.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

There are spare garages at the end of the lane... not dozens...

If the 26 usual REC's start the 1000, that leaves 46 spare spots for cars in the lane

The current pitlane was designed with 72 car spots available (36 double garages)

Originally Posted by Langers

Thankfully those days have passed. Adding a bunch of low budget once a year racers to the field would do nothing to improve the race and indeed would likely ruin it with even more safety cars.

We have as many safety cars now as we used to with double the grid size

[peckstar]

as an example the tyre allocation for bathurst 1000 is 36 new slicks

the tyre allocation for all 7 dunlop points races is 56 new slicks

[MichaelScott]

If a GT3 event had only 15 entries it would be the end of the world. Points or no points you don’t get many chances to race at this track.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by MichaelScott

If a GT3 event had only 15 entries it would be the end of the world. Points or no points you don’t get many chances to race at this track.

Im doubtful of that.

however would you not think its a good thing that Supercars have acted prmptly to fix the problem?

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Im doubtful of that.

however would you not think its a good thing that Supercars have acted prmptly to fix the problem?

Supercars could have run a combined Super2 and Kumho race? Was that a consideration?

[simonracer]

In that case the answer would be Rose/McCarthy in the '98 race I'm guessing (I had to look up who won it, but I remembered reading that there was a second class in that event running control tires).

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[one five five]

There wouldn't be slow cars in the race as there would be a qualifying cut-off somewhere around 107%, and I've never suggested (nor has anyone else seriously) 10 year old Kuhmo cars starting the race.

Has a ten-year old car ever even contested a 1000km race at Bathurst??

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

There wouldn't be slow cars in the race as there would be a qualifying cut-off somewhere around 107%, and I've never suggested (nor has anyone else seriously) 10 year old Kuhmo cars starting the race.

Has a ten-year old car ever even contested a 1000km race at Bathurst??

sorry, you are right, apologies for the Kumho that was someone else in a different thread

But still there year there were spots for Wildcard and no one took them

supercars has determined the grid at 34 with a 107% cut-off (Same as sandown). The cut-off is up from 105% at sprint rounds

But still no development car took the spots (possibly because all the best Dunlop series drivers are co-drivers in the main race

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by peckstar

But still there year there were spots for Wildcard and no one took them

Yet Supercars didn't take the initiative to invite say GT3 cars to participate?
[That they would blitz the Supercars owing to their far superior downforce and wider tyres is besides the point. hehe]

On the other hand, they could have accomodated slower cars like say Marc Focuses or TCR spec machines (or even simply Kumho spec cars & NZ's V8 SuperTourers and V8 Touring Cars)...? Would have made a great spectacle to fill out the grid.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Yet Supercars didn't take the initiative to invite say GT3 cars to participate?
[That they would blitz the Supercars owing to their far superior downforce and wider tyres is besides the point. hehe]

On the other hand, they could have accomodated slower cars like say Marc Focuses or TCR spec machines (or even simply Kumho spec cars & NZ's V8 SuperTourers and V8 Touring Cars)...? Would have made a great spectacle to fill out the grid.

im sure i will get a nodding dog warning for repeating this to you again.

they dont want or need those other cars there

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Yet Supercars didn't take the initiative to invite say GT3 cars to participate?
[That they would blitz the Supercars owing to their far superior downforce and wider tyres is besides the point. hehe]

On the other hand, they could have accomodated slower cars like say Marc Focuses or TCR spec machines (or even simply Kumho spec cars & NZ's V8 SuperTourers and V8 Touring Cars)...? Would have made a great spectacle to fill out the grid.

Qaulity over quantity.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

We have as many safety cars now as we used to with double the grid size

But the field is closer together, and the officials are far hotter on the trigger than in the past, no doubt because of insurance concerns.

Originally Posted by one five five

Has a ten-year old car ever even contested a 1000km race at Bathurst??

I'm wondering if the longest entered car in the 1000km race might be an under 2 litre Corolla, or perhaps the Lusty VL? I would have thought both would have clocked at least 5 of 6 years?

[htc]

Originally Posted by Mixer

But the field is closer together, and the officials are far hotter on the trigger than in the past, no doubt because of insurance concerns.



I'm wondering if the longest entered car in the 1000km race might be an under 2 litre Corolla, or perhaps the Lusty VL? I would have thought both would have clocked at least 5 of 6 years?

Bob Holden's Toyota Sprinter Qualified for 10 Bathurst 1000's 1984 to 1993. Starting in 9 of the races the only time the car did not start the race was when Mike Conway crashed on the warm up lap in 1991.

[Umai Naa]

Some of those VLs date back to Group C VBs.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Some of those VLs date back to Group C VBs.

Where's Noonz when you need him

[one five five]

A better idea would be to sell RECs for the Development Series and have as a part of owning a DVS REC that you have to enter the REC in the 1000 with your nominated lead driver.

That would increase the grid, and likely bring back a great sprinkling of internationals.